Abstinence Bush Admin's Answer to AIDS

[KrazyHorse]

...except for yourselves.

[Dis]

abstinance What a crock of ****!

It's easy for married guys to say this. They have a steady supply of *****. But for us single guys, abstinance is not an option. I can't find a girl to marry me.

It's **** like this that pisses me off. It's time to kill president Bush.

I think this abstinance bull**** is just another way of saying Bush doesn't care about Aids in third world nations.

[Last Conformist]

In a foul mood today, Diss?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Possibly. We do tend to have an ingrained belief in personal responsibility.

The fact that people are responsible for their own actions does not have to exclude the possibility for compassion for AIDS victims.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
In a foul mood today, Diss?

not really. But the Bush administration continues to piss me off more every day. I didn't think my opinion of them could sink any lower. I was wrong.

[KrazyHorse]

Vote for Kerry as many times as possible then.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
BTW, Kucinich, do you hold the same views wrt AIDS prevention in the West? In the US?

Yes. Unless you got it from a blood transfusion, it's your own fault if you get it.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
If you don't care, why warn them in the first place?

It's not really their fault if they didn't know. Once they've been warned, I have no pity. It's sort of like telling someone if they touch a hot pan, they'll get burned.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by MrFun
Apparently, Kucinich believes that people who have AIDS deserve what they got?

What do you mean, deserve? I think it's their own fault, and the consequences of their own actions, and they were warned! So I don't really feel any pity.

So I suppose if someone in his family died from a heart attack because that person had poor diet and did not exercise, Kucinich would not mourn for his family member's death because he/she got what was coming?

Obviously I would be sad, because it's a member of my family. It doesn't mean that I somehow think it was "unfair" or whatever.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Dissident
not really. But the Bush administration continues to piss me off more every day. I didn't think my opinion of them could sink any lower. I was wrong.

People get mad at him because he lied about Iraq, and now the same ones get mad because he told the plain, simple, literal truth?

[St Leo]

Agathon, thanks for digging.

[cia]

First of all, talking about female contraception and AIDS in the same statement or thread is stupid. The only form of female contraception that would inhibit AIDS is the female condom and I do not know if they are still available. The problem is that is condoms are pushed, it is a game of Russian roulette. Try this analogy. Abstinance is taking the gun (AIDS) away. You will not catch AIDS if you are abstinant unless you need a blood transfusion. Giving condoms is taking a loaded revolver and removing five or the six bullets. Play as long as you want and you might live. Safe sex is an oxymoron. I had a baby by condom so I know. Stop your preaching and look at a comprehensive program that stresses masturbation and abstinance, with condoms being a last resort and it may make some sense. BTW, are these people rabbits? They must breed or the parts will fall off? What an archaic ideal. That thinking was used to prove rape was necessary because a man could not control himself. Yeech.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Kucinich


Hellish? I thought we were talking about AIDS, not Ebola. As deaths go, AIDS isn't particularly hellish.

So how many people do you know personally who have died as a result infection with H.I.V. and of having Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome?


Do you know what the effects of cyto-megalo virus on the brain and the optic nerve are?

http://www.clevelandclinic.org/healt...index=9972&src=news

How about long term peripheral neuropathy:

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/health_and_medical/disorders/peripheralneuropathy_doc.htm

Kaposi's Sarcoma:

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite.jsp?page=kb-06-02-03

meningitis:

http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic163.htm

pneumo-cystis pneumonia:

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/pneumocystis_pneumonia.html

toxoplasmosis:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/toxoplasmosis/factsht_toxoplasmosis.htm

I suggest before you start giving Apolyton the benefit of your inexperience with regards to deaths from H.I.V. infection you get some 'hands on' experience.

If you think that watching someone die, doubly incontinent, deaf, blind and insane, isn't hellish either for them or for their partner, or their friends, then clearly you have a different definition of 'hellish'- one I suspect that is formed by your ignorance of the matter.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Kucinich

Yes. Unless you got it from a blood transfusion, it's your own fault if you get it.

In your long history of disgraceful and boorish posts, this ranks near the top.

Presumably, when you go to college and some attractive young lady offers you the opportunity to have sex with her (if any college educated woman would conceivably put out for someone with your attitude), you won't be barrelling off to church to ask the Lord for help in crushing your urges.

It's a good bed that you'll end up having sex, just like most normal people. In fact you'll find it almost impossible to turn down at your age.

If you have any brains, you'll use a condom to be safe. Does this make you morally responsible for catching AIDS? No more than eating a burger makes you responsible for catching Mad Cow Disease, or diriving in a car means that you deserve to be injured in an accident.

And you have had some sex education, which is something alien to most Africans: so at least you know about the risks of AIDS and the benefits of condom use.

What the hell is wrong with you, if you think that you can live a normal life as a celibate. Sure, a few people can, but for most people it is out of the question, nor should they be made to feel bad about it, it's quite normal.

[Urban Ranger]

Aggie,

Take it easy.

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
...except for yourselves.

You stole my thunder