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  • Yup, the repugs went down!

    The loss effectively ended a drive to move the proposal through the Senate before the November elections.


    Senate Vote Blocks Effort to Ban Gay-Marriage in Constitution
    By CARL HULSE

    Published: July 14, 2004


    ASHINGTON, July 14 — Backers of a constitutional amendment to prohibit same-sex marriages suffered a stinging defeat in the Senate today as opponents easily killed the initiative for the year in a procedural showdown.

    Senators voted 50 to 48 against a call to cut off debate, 12 votes short of the 60 required and even below a simple majority of 51. It would have taken 67 votes to approve the amendment itself. The loss effectively ended a drive to move the proposal through the Senate before the November elections. Six Republicans helped block the amendment, illustrating the divisions in the party ranks over the idea of inscribing such a ban into the Constitution.

    "The constitutional amendment we are debating today strikes me as antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans," said Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona. "It usurps from the states a fundamental authority they have always possessed, and imposes a federal remedy for a problem that most states do not believe confronts them."

    Three Democrats sided with Republicans in trying to move to a vote on the language of the amendment itself. Under Constitutional rules crafted by the Founding Fathers to make it difficult to alter the document, a supermajority of 67 votes is necessary to start the ratification process by the states. Today's vote did not reflect the full level of opposition since some Senate Republicans who were opposed to the amendment sided with their leadership on the preliminary vote.

    "This is an unnecessary amendment that wrongly and certainly prematurely deprives states of their traditional ability to define marriage," said Senator Joseph Lieberman, Democrat of Connecticut, as he joined many of his colleagues in asserting that marriage is an issue of state domain.

    Democrats also accused the Senate Republican leadership of forcing the debate on an amendment they knew could not pass to create a wedge issue for the coming elections. President Bush is a strong supporter of the proposal and conservative activist groups had aggressively urged the Senate leadership to bring the matter to the floor.

    Backers of the amendment said they were only responding to court decisions they said were reshaping the traditional American view of marriage despite scant involvement on the part of the public.

    "Marriage does matter," said Senator Wayne Allard, Republican of Colorado and the author of the amendment. "It matters to our children, it matters in America. Marriage is the foundation of a free society and courts are redefining marriage."

    Though they lost the vote, the backers of the amendment did succeed in getting lawmakers on record on the issue and they said they expected it to reverberate throughout the campaign season. Senators John Kerry of Massachusetts and John Edwards of North Carolina, the two members of the Democratic presidential ticket, did not vote. They both oppose the amendment, however, saying that while they oppose same-sex marriage that the issue is a state concern.

    The issue may still resurface in the House this year. A House panel was considering today a legislative proposal that its authors said could prevent federal judges from overturning the existing federal law defining marriage as being between a man and a woman, though critics said they doubted the new proposal could survive a court test.

    House Majority Leader Tom DeLay has said he might schedule a House vote later this year on a constitutional amendment.
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    • There IS still a thing called Justice in this country
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      • Originally posted by GePap
        Yup, the repugs went down!
        Nope shows that 6 repubs actually have the cohoneys to break from party.

        Good show them, also indicative that the moderates still have to be considered.

        Che in 3...2...1 to describe how the religous right are marginalizing the moderates.
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        • I wonder which three dems wanted to move this to a vote?

          I bet on Zell Miller since he is a democrat only in name now..but which other two?
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          • Originally posted by GePap
            Yup, the repugs went down!

            The loss effectively ended a drive to move the proposal through the Senate before the November elections.

            Fascism have been preempted by democracy again.


            Of course, if President Religious-Right Bush successfully delays the presidential election . . . . .
            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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            • Originally posted by GePap
              I wonder which three dems wanted to move this to a vote?

              I bet on Zell Miller since he is a democrat only in name now..but which other two?
              I'm sure Breaux was another.
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              • IIRC, Byrd is another.
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                • Haven't a load of states banned gay-marriage anyway? Even if this amendment doesn't pass, it will be a hollow victory thus far, though I'd like a civil rights movement to champion this cause.
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                  • VICTORY FOR COMMON SENSE

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                    • Well, I was wrong:

                      Democrats Yes
                      Byrd, W.Va.; Miller, Ga.; Nelson, Neb.

                      Apologies to Breaux, he voted no.

                      The good Republicans:

                      Republicans No
                      Campbell, Colo.; Chafee, R.I.; Collins, Maine; McCain, Ariz.; Snowe, Maine; Sununu, N.H.

                      I'm pretty disappointed in Specter and Domenici, who both voted Yes.
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                      • Specter is now owned by Shrub and the GOP leadership (who insured that he won his primary challenge from the Club for Growth), so that wasn't a big suprise.
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                        • I really wish McCain was running for Prez. If he took Liberman as his running mate they would surely win... Or even some of the Dem mayors that have been around lately.
                          Monkey!!!

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                          • Originally posted by Whaleboy
                            Haven't a load of states banned gay-marriage anyway? Even if this amendment doesn't pass, it will be a hollow victory thus far, though I'd like a civil rights movement to champion this cause.

                            Anytime that a discriminatory amendment fails to pass is a great relief, IMO.
                            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                            • Originally posted by Ramo
                              IIRC, Byrd is another.
                              Always can count on Byrd to be a bigot.
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                              • Originally posted by Japher
                                I really wish McCain was running for Prez. If he took Liberman as his running mate they would surely win... Or even some of the Dem mayors that have been around lately.
                                I said the same thing to the wife last night as we lamented the choices we currently have.
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