Whoops! Bush's military records "accidentally" destroyed

[Drake Tungsten]

JohnT

[Imran Siddiqui]

I asserted nothing

And I repeat... bull****. You can hide behind "it was a hypothetical all you want", but if some Republican in 1998 said imagine a hypo about President Clinton raping Juanita Brodrick and then let's look at Paula Jones, you'd be all over them for not simply asserting a hypothetical, but actually asserting something.

Really, how much longer do you plan to stick to this lie? Oh yes, wait, it was a hypothetical, and you believe none of it!

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
JohnT

Isn't Agathon going to be jealous that you're perched on some other people's shoulders, goading on their arguments without actually contributing? I know there haven't been any Mac battles with Asher lately, but really...

And I repeat... bull****.

Yeah, yeah...I can see you're going to repeat this line instead of actually, you know, considering things. Nothing I can do to stop you on that. It at least protects you from having to consider uncomfortable scenarios.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Dauphin
If Bush Sr was to wield his conspiratorial hand I doubt that he would choose to do so on something as inconsequential as his son's military records.

His other son did his own share.

[DinoDoc]

I still don't see the basis for Boris asserting anything. It's quite silly for him to backtrack and claim it was a hypothetical question now.

[Drake Tungsten]

DinoDoc

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


His other son did his own share.

Yeahm, but hypothetically vote-rigging the Florida State Elections for the position of President is infinitely more credible as an intended action.

[dannubis]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I still don't see the basis for Boris asserting anything. It's quite silly for him to backtrack and claim it was a hypothetical question now.

i thought your gives a **** was broken ?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by dannubis
i thought your gives a **** was broken ?

1) People who profess a belief in idiotic conspiracies that they can only string together with inuendo deserve to be made fun of.

2) People who clumsily back away from those same positions deserve to be made fun of.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Why would you think he had any purpose in his posts other that trolling Imran and a couple other guys?

[Drake Tungsten]

Boris is too narcissistic to be a proper troll.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
1) People who profess a belief in idiotic conspiracies that they can only string together with inuendo deserve to be made fun of.

2) People who clumsily back away from those same positions deserve to be made fun of.

Does that mean you can gives a **** wrt to Michael Moore?

[DinoDoc]

When haven't I made fun of Michael Moore?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Consistency

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Oh, shut up.

I beg your pardon?

Yeah, yeah...I can see you're going to repeat this line instead of actually, you know, considering things. Nothing I can do to stop you on that. It at least protects you from having to consider uncomfortable scenarios.

Let's "consider" your two hypotheticals:

Number one - Let's say that the records were there in the Pentagon and they showed, beyond shadow of a doubt, that Bush had indeed not showed up for duty and was thus gulity of being AWOL in 1972. Does anybody here think that, were that the case, the records would have really survived to be investigated by newspaper reporters?

Number two is a continuation (and relative to my first question). Let's say the records were indeed deliberately destroyed by someone to hide what was in them about Bush from the public. Who would have the clout to make such a thing happen?

1. The records were not at the Pentagon. As I showed in my previous post, since 1995 the records are stored by the Defense Finance and Accounting Service (stated in the article) at the old Gentile Air Force Base in Kettering, OH. Prior to that, I don't know, but we are at least aware of the fact that the records were not, repeat NOT stored at the Pentagon at the time of the records "inadvertant destruction", which your hypothetical assumes. So, get the image out of your head of some 5-star General walking down the hall to the file room at the Pentagon and yanking a few records - it didn't, couldn't happen that way.

2. The "clout to make such a thing happen" would reside in a larger number of people than you assume. They include: the President (Clinton), The Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staffs and his subordinates, the head of the Air Force and his subordinates, the head of the Defense Finance and Accounting Service (and their subordinates), Joan Causey the head of the DFAS branch in Kettering OH (since 2003), her predecessors (and their subordinates), the clerks in charge of Files and Records, even the guy who keeps the inventory.

Now, assuming that there was an order, given by somebody (it doesn't really matter whom), to have these records destroyed in 1996-97, it would have to go through at least 3 to 5 levels of management in order to be carried out. Bush 1 calls his buddies at the CIA (1) to ask for the records to be destroyed. They research it and find that they are kept in Kettering, OH, necessitating a call to the person able to give orders (2) to Ms. Causey's predecessors, who then call Ms. Causey's predecessors (3), who themselves call up the file clerk (4) to demand that the destruction of the 1972 records for whatever Air Force base in Alabama that Bush served under.

That's a minimum of 4 people my hypothetical requres to bring the order to completion, four people who have had 7+ years to brag, complain, or errantly let the cat out of the bag.

Finally, if you are truly interested in tracking this down for yourself Boris (rather than rely on positing hypothetical situations based upon incorrect assumptions), why not contact them yourself?

DFAS Dayton
1050 Forrer Boulevard
Dayton OH 45420-1472

Vendor Pay Customer Service Email Address: cco-dy-vpis@dfas.mil

Accounting Records Customer Service Email Address: ddy-a@dfas.mil

We eagerly await your results.