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  • #46
    His brother was the one who was ill-mannered and rude because he's the one who purposefully put himself in a situation where he was purposefully antagonizing people he didn't agree with in a social situation where such things are frowned upon.

    Hell, he wouldn't get away with this crap in a bar, why should he get away with this behaviour at the mall?


    Ah, the good old flock argument. He disturbed the herd, put him to death.
    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
    Stadtluft Macht Frei
    Killing it is the new killing it
    Ultima Ratio Regum

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    • #47
      LoA:

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      • #48
        where i dont see it?
        "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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        • #49
          Have your brother (and everyone else reading this in the US) go to http://www.flexyourrights.org/

          Check that out for good tips on dealing with the police. Also, I HIGHLY recommend getting their video, Busted.

          I know the folks who run it, and its a great resource for getting out of police encounters unbloodied and still asserting your rights.
          Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

          When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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          • #50
            whats wrong johnt? do you have some sort of tick that makes your eyes roll up?
            "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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            • #51
              No, you deserve the here, John.

              Would I have done what the brother did in that situation?

              No.

              Doesn't mean that having some ******* try to pick a fight with him and then having the cops wale on him was right.
              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
              Stadtluft Macht Frei
              Killing it is the new killing it
              Ultima Ratio Regum

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              • #52
                The Libertarians here are kneejerkers too, but at least in a less-objectionable way.
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
                Ultima Ratio Regum

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                • #53
                  Malls are private property. Your brother has no right to protest on private property. They can throw him out at their convenience and whim and your brother must go. If your brother doesn't go at that point, he is trespassing. If your brother wants to have a "discussion" with the Marines, then he needs to do it on public property.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by JohnT
                    Well according to Lorizael, who is the person actually telling the story, his brother wasn't the one who was ill-mannered and rude, it was the marine.


                    His brother was the one who was ill-mannered and rude because he's the one who purposefully put himself in a situation where he was purposefully antagonizing people he didn't agree with in a social situation where such things are frowned upon.

                    Hell, he wouldn't get away with this crap in a bar, why should he get away with this behaviour at the mall?
                    I disagree. If the marines are recruiting, then there is nothing at all wrong with talking to them and being in opposition to it.

                    I mean, I run recruiting tables all the time, for my own organization. It is expected that not everyone who comes to the table is gonna agree with me. It comes with the territory. At times I get people who quite vocally disagree with what I have to say. That doesn't mean I reserve the right to get a cop to go Rodney King on them.

                    Furthermore, if you started an argument in a bar, you'd get your ass kicked, they wouldn't call the cops to go and kick your ass for them.

                    If the marine had followed him outside and punched him in the mouth, thats one thing. But the cop accosting him, well thats another matter entirely.
                    Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

                    When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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                    • #55
                      The idea that I'm "trying to enforce my beliefs upon others" is ludicrious, LoA. Manners evolved as a means for a naturally predatory species (us) to be able to get through the day without killing each other. When you violate that code, people react badly... at times, very badly.

                      Hell, go up to some guy with a girl on his arm and ask him if she's a good fvck. That's not illegal, nor immoral, but I have no doubt that you know what will happen.

                      Manners. To quote somebody: "Life is never too short that you can't take the time to be polite."

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by DanS
                        Malls are private property. Your brother has no right to protest on private property. They can throw him out at their convenience and whim. If your brother wants to have a "discussion" with the Marines, then he needs to do it on public property.
                        That's not necessarily true. You can excercise free speech on private property that is a public gathering area as long as you don't obstruct business.
                        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                          They did, in about line 25.
                          Not a letter.
                          Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                          "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                            The Libertarians here are kneejerkers too, but at least in a less-objectionable way.
                            ?
                            Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

                            When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by JohnT
                              The idea that I'm "trying to enforce my beliefs upon others" is ludicrious, LoA. Manners evolved as a means for a naturally predatory species (us) to be able to get through the day without killing each other. When you violate that code, people react badly... at times, very badly.

                              Hell, go up to some guy with a girl on his arm and ask him if she's a good fvck. That's not illegal, nor immoral, but I have no doubt that you know what will happen.

                              Manners. To quote somebody: "Life is never too short that you can't take the time to be polite."
                              But police officers are expected to be above base reactions. How can you possibly say, even if what my brother did was wrong, that what the police officer did was right?
                              Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                              "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                              • #60
                                My sympathies to you for your loss, Lorizael.

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                                the rest of the story:
                                I say the cop and brother both get a slap on the wrist and then everyone buries the story.

                                The brother, for aggrivating the situation, and the cop for not putting the cuffs on right. Everyone wins.
                                meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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