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  • #16
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Bill O'Reilly sez you're unpatriotic if...

    Originally posted by DinoDoc
    --- Personally, I tend to believe that those who deliberately kill innocent civilians aren't particularly interested freedom and those who trample on human rights aren't the best people to try defending them. The choice of means indicates that they are forerunners of tyranny.
    Don't tell me the US did nothing of this in Iraq?
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Kontiki
      I think the bigger question is why does Berz have such a bug up his ass about Bill O'Reilly?
      He refuses to put his letters on the air.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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      • #18
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Bill O'Reilly sez you're unpatriotic if...

        Originally posted by DinoDoc
        I'll tell you if that's the case if and when I find it in this thread. Personally, I tend to believe that those who deliberately kill innocent civilians aren't particularly interested freedom and those who trample on human rights aren't the best people to try defending them. The choice of means indicates that they are forerunners of tyranny.
        Hey, you mean like the US and UK between 1942 and 1945, when we killed well over 1 million innocent civilians deliberately?

        Killing civilians deliberately is not the definiton of terrorism.
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        • #19
          Of course it is. Killing civilians to serve political goals is the very essence of terrorism. I know how you find the truth to be unpleasent though.
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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          • #20
            Would you consider Hiroshima to be terrorism, DD? It was killing civilians deliberately to serve the political goal of ending WW2.
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            • #21
              Hiroshima is definitely an example of terrorism.
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              • #22
                The answer is plainly, "no".

                There is no logical barrier that says that you cannot love your country and despise what it does or has done. You may want to make it better.

                The US has been one of the world's worst terrorist states. Its activities in Latin America are more than enough to condemn it in this regard. But that is just government sponsored terrorism: everyone knows that US citizens bankrolled Irish terrorists while their government did nothing about it.
                Only feebs vote.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                  Would you consider Hiroshima to be terrorism, DD?
                  Doolittle's raid is a more clear cut case in my mind if you want to focus on the Pacific theater.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #24
                    But I'm focusing on Hiroshima. It was known that many many many more civilians would have died that military objectives succeeded. The whole point of it was to scare the Japanese into surrender.
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc
                      Of course it is. Killing civilians to serve political goals is the very essence of terrorism. I know how you find the truth to be unpleasent though.
                      No it is not. Blowing up a police station is not killing innocent civlians, yet counts as terrorism. Assasinating politicians is terrorism as well. Of course, that would also count as legitimate liberation tactics in a guerilla war. That is the problem.
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                      "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
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                      • #26
                        I like the definition provided in the Rainbow 6 manual for terrorism.

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                        • #27
                          And that would be?
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #28
                            On any reasonable definition of terrorism – i.e. one that does not include "done by people we don't like" in the definition – the United States has been guilty of engaging in and supporting terrorism.

                            There simply isn't any reasonable dispute about it, so it strikes me as odd that O'Reilly should think that patriotism necessarily requires commitment to an obviously false belief.
                            Only feebs vote.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                              But I'm focusing on Hiroshima. It was known that many many many more civilians would have died that military objectives succeeded. The whole point of it was to scare the Japanese into surrender.
                              My view is that the point was to scare the USSR. Japan was already beat. If my view is correct dropping the A bombs on Japanese would be even more clearly terrorism.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bill O'Reilly sez you're unpatriotic if...

                                Originally posted by GePap


                                Hey, you mean like the US and UK between 1942 and 1945, when we killed well over 1 million innocent civilians deliberately?

                                Killing civilians deliberately is not the definiton of terrorism.
                                You mean like that time frame when technology was way ahead of international law and the laws and customs of war, so that killing of civilians could be done on an unprecedented scale?

                                I wonder if the reaction to that had anything to do with all those different treaties and conventions on international law and the conduct of war that arose after WW2?
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