The Dumbasses Are Out In Force (Pekka and GT, also small guys who fight look here)

[David Floyd]

They'll be on their stomach trying to get up and I'll be dribbling their head against the floor for as long as it takes. At worst you get hit the one time going in for your takedown and you should be moving so fast that it isn't going to be any more than a love tap.

Yeah, ideally that's the case. On the other hand, there are a lot more people out there with experience in wrestling than with experience in kickboxing/boxing combos - certainly grappling is extremely important, but you should also have a way to take someone else out of their game. Punch him a few times, THEN shoot. Or if he shoots first, be able to do some damage to him on the way in.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Lancer
Diss is right.

Btw Diss, what are you doing carrying $30,000 around bad neighborhoods? Last I heard you were fixing the bandits?

that was an old job.

and actually I have a new job now.

[Lancer]

Watchya doin?

[Pekka]

I disagree with the kicks though.. I don't think you could be able to generate the power to the kicks that they would be useful, except knees and soccer kicks when your opponent is down. I'd just forget about that from the beginning, unless you get a bag or someone train you in it. I'd just keep it simple. Remember: with heart you can win even more strong opponents. He might hit with more weight in back, but you can always hit back with furious anger and maniac mentality

[Lancer]

"furious anger and maniac mentality"

Great name for a rock band btw. Maybe 2 rock bands.

Headliner at Madison Square Garden...

Battle of the bands! 'Furious Anger' and 'Maniac Mentality'

I'm done now.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Pekka
I disagree with the kicks though.. I don't think you could be able to generate the power to the kicks that they would be useful, except knees and soccer kicks when your opponent is down. I'd just forget about that from the beginning, unless you get a bag or someone train you in it. I'd just keep it simple. Remember: with heart you can win even more strong opponents. He might hit with more weight in back, but you can always hit back with furious anger and maniac mentality

I agree. The only worthwhile kick is a knee to the groin

[Dis]

Originally posted by Lancer
Watchya doin?

[temporary threadjack]

operating engineer- local 501 union. Harder work, but good pay.

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[Lancer]

Go in and win pal.

[Pekka]

yeah if you have to, if you can avoid, avoid.

However remember, there are no losers in a fight if you stand up for yourself and do your best.

[Pekka]

right I've had time to think of this and heard others opinions. The problem is, we don't know you well enough and certainly we don't know the person you're facing or the persons behind him. We don't know enough about the situation and we can't come down there and help you, only thing we can do here is give out opinions.

That said, my only advice now is to avoid the situation. Do it smart though, but try to avoid it really. We can't get enough facts here. Don't go do it. This is Supercitizen telling you, abort mission I repeat abort mission.

If you come under attack, defend yourself. Otherwise, stay out.

[Dis]

and not everyone is cut out to be a fighter. You can know the moves, and still such.

reflexes, agility, and instincts are the most important things. I lack all 3. So I've learned to stay out of fights.

[Drake Tungsten]

Drake: the hip toss I'm talking about is where you wrap your arm around the guy's neck, push your hip into his gut and throw.

http://byc-wrestling.tripod.com/moves/hip/hip.html

That's an example of a clean, picture-perfect hip toss. In a fight you:

a) don't want to go down with the guy unless you're confident of your ability to control him (ground and pound)

b) don't want to turn your back fully to the guy. just drive your hip into his body, get a lock on his neck and do a sloppy toss to the side instead of directly over your hip. It's much faster, and unless the guy knows what he's doing it won't make a difference.

I found the exact same site last night. That's how I figured out we were talking about different things...

Anyway, that's a good move. I'd still prefer the single leg, but it's more a matter of preference than effectiveness. I almost always wrestled up in weight against guys much bigger than me, so I grew to prefer leg takedowns over throws that weren't always easy to pull off. It's hard to throw a guy significantly taller or heavier than you, in my experience.

Punch him a few times, THEN shoot.

[KrazyHorse]

It's hard to throw a guy significantly taller or heavier than you, in my experience.

Yup. Especially in a fireman.

[Pekka]

say, I was in a fight with a guy I didn't know but looked pretty tough and confident, if he was alone, no friends ready to kick my head when we're down, yeah I'd go down too. Few combos standing up, mostly just to keep him busy thinking I'll stand and bang. Nothing effective, just keeping him busy and thinking and when the time comes, I'd shoot in, get a doubleleg and drive the dude to the ground. And forget about submissions, what's he gonna do, tapout???? No, It would be ground and pound and getting up something in the lines of stomping to disabling the arm pretty decently and then running away.

But we know nothing, as far as I know, Space could get to the ground with a big dude, who would get top position and Space would be unexperienced and would get ground and pounded in the streets. Or if he gets that position, his friends would come in and play soccer.

So that's why my advice is, don't go to the ground. And my last advice was, avoid this fight. This might not be necessary. Defend if attacked.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by David Floyd
The best thing to do is to learn some simple Thai kicks and boxing combos, that you can pick up on your own from books, and practice those over and over. It won't be flashy, and it won't make you the biggest baddest in your town, but you should also be able to hold your own to such an extent that you won't be a major target.

No, no, no. You don't want kicks, and definitely no high (above the waist) kicks. A drunk can eat a few of your kicks without flinching, but if he grabs your foot or leg you are in big big trouble.