Rumored Changes to Star Wars Trilogy

[The Andy-Man]

well, after since i saw phantom menace, I havn't watched a star wars film ever again. I used to love them films, but he really killed every thing

[SpencerH]

David Prowse played Vader. He cant be stricken from the credits, but they would have to include Hayden in the credits.

I dont know that they need to age Hayden in that shot, but the trickey bit is that Vader (Prowse) is 6'7" tall. Did Anakin Skywalker have a growth spurt in his 20's?

All of this reminds me of the South Park episode dealing with this subject.

[Imran Siddiqui]

the trickey bit is that Vader (Prowse) is 6'7" tall. Did Anakin Skywalker have a growth spurt in his 20's?

Well, that can be explained by the fact that Vader was more machine than man by ANH (robot stilts ).

[reds4ever]

yep, big boots and a large helmet ;O)

[Stuie]

Originally posted by SpencerH
David Prowse played Vader. He cant be stricken from the credits, but they would have to include Hayden in the credits.

Sebastian Shaw was the un-masked Vader.

[monkspider]

I don't know how up to date on nerdy Star Wars stuff you guys are, but Lucas has said on multiple occasions that the original (pre-Special Editions) will never be made available on DVD, ever, which is why these sorts of changes are such an outrage.

Lucas, what a ****er. This guy is changing movies that he didn't even direct, making these changes after the original director and the dude who played unmasked vader are both conveinantly deceased. I could say so many things about how he has ruined the Star Wars saga.

But anyway, if anyone is interested in top-notch DVD-quality versions of the originals ripped from the laser-discs, just PM me. I know someone who makes what are considered the best bootlegs available on the internet.

[JohnT]

Does it really matter to Lucas what people think about things like this (i.e., art) as long as he is able to keep on raking in his customary $200,000,000-400,000,000/year personal income?

[reds4ever]

Monk

In interviews I read Lucas always said he wanted the initial DVD release to include ALL six films as an 'experience', so either way he's full of it

[Imran Siddiqui]

which is why these sorts of changes are such an outrage.

Get. A. Grip.

Minor changes really don't do anything to the story whatsoever.

This guy is changing movies that he didn't even direct, making these changes after the original director and the dude who played unmasked vader are both conveinantly deceased.

Um... he was executive producer, which means even if they were alive, tough **** for them.

I could say so many things about how he has ruined the Star Wars saga.

Read my first response in this post.

I'll definetly buy the DVD new versions of them. I'll love to see the new lightsaber effects of the later movies being imported to the old films. That'll make the end fight in ROTJ really look sharp .

[Jac de Molay]

He does have the right to make the changes, but it's still sad just the same. The movies ARE classics, sci-fi and otherwise, and it seems rather pointless to make changes to something that was pretty darn good to begin with (especially ESB).

I think a big part of their appeal now is that they're NOT so glossed-over and digitized like the Ep. I-III, which look like glorified muppet movies.

[JohnT]

Um... he was executive producer, which means even if they were alive, tough **** for them.

Interesting perspective you have on contract law, especially for a lawyer in training. While I don't know the specifics of this case (and you're probably right - Lucas was a money-grubbing power freak since his THX-1138 days) in many cases the producers don't have the sort of arbitrary power that you seem to think they have. Even the Weinsteins had to pressure people to get them to change their contracts... they couldn't do so just because they were the money men.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Jac de Molay
I think a big part of their appeal now is that they're NOT so glossed-over and digitized like the Ep. I-III, which look like glorified muppet movies.

The prequels look faker then the original trilogy.

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

which is why these sorts of changes are such an outrage.

Get. A. Grip.

Minor changes really don't do anything to the story whatsoever.

I'm not going to get too involved in this debate, and I don't know how famillar you are with some of the changes that have been made in the Special Editions, like "Greedo shooting first", the new musical number in RotJ, and so on. But suffice to say, there are very good reasons why people would want to preserve the original movies.

Um... he was executive producer, which means even if they were alive, tough **** for them.

Oh, of course he legally has the right to, I don't disagree there. But that doesn't mean that he should

I'll definetly buy the DVD new versions of them. I'll love to see the new lightsaber effects of the later movies being imported to the old films. That'll make the end fight in ROTJ really look sharp .

I will too. I am all about "enhancing" the movies, most of Lucas' technical enhancements of the movies really rocked. But when it comes to to adding and deleting, or radically changing certain scenes, without allowing access to the originals that put him on the map in the first place, it is there that I take issue.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Interesting perspective you have on contract law

A correct perspective. The executive producer will have power over final edits and/or additions. The director doesn't have the right to have all of his scenes in the movie. A cast member doesn't have the right to have his scenes in the movie!

like "Greedo shooting first", the new musical number in RotJ,

Greedo shooting first is gone for the DVD releases, and many thought the new musical number at the end of RotJ was better. Besides, if that is the best you can come up with, I laugh heartily at you! Such minor things ruin the whole thing!

[Verto]

And here we have footage from George Lucas' DEFINITIVE version of Return of the Jedi. His vision as it was meant to be: