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    I know the NBA isn't exactly big here with 'Poly sports fans, but we really ought to have some thread about it.

    Especially since it is shaping up, thus far, to be perhaps the best Finals since the first Detroit-L.A. matchup way back in '88.

    The Lakers, the prohibitive favorite, get pushed around in Game One, and then again appear to be defeated in Game Two before coming up with one of the greatest :40 comebacks in NBA history, capped off by one of the greatest clutch shots of all-time. Even as a diehard Pistons fan for my whole life, I can not help but admire what an incredible game that was last night, and what an amazing performance that was by Kobe Bryant.

    Still, I was nigh-despondant after that game; we had a 2-0 lead in our grasp, in a series that many said would be a L.A. sweep. That hurt.

    BUT, there is another way to look at this. The Pistons could be, perhaps should be, very encouraged. It took nothing short of a miracle for the Lakers to salvage even one game on their home floor, going back to the Palace for the next three. After Detroit controlled most of the first two games in L.A., they have to feel confident that they can win at least one more game at the Staples Center if the series goes to a game six and/or seven. If the Pistons can win two of the next three at home, you have to think that they have an excellent chance of winning the championship in L.A.

    The flip of that is that a loss like that can be psychologically crushing to the Pistons, and uplifting to the Lakers. The Lakers got a huge boost out of their last (four-tenths of a) second win over San Antonio a couple rounds ago. However, this wasn't the first crushingly disappointing loss for the Pistons. The dropped a triple-OT classic to the Nets in a Game Five a couple rounds ago, and they managed to come back and win the next two deciding games, both blowouts, Game Six being at Jersey. Game One against the Pacers was another game that just got away in the closing seconds, thanks to a Reggie Miller three, and they came back to win Game Two thanks to Tayshaun Prince's highlight-of-the-year blocked shot. So, at best, the psychologically consequences of last night's game have to considered a push.

    Whatever happens, it has been an incredible series thus far. If you haven't been watching, I highly recommend it--you'll become a basketball fan all over again.

    At the very least, the way things have gone thus far should finally silence all the talk about the "Leastern" Conference and that the East is simply the JV to the West. The Pistons are probably the best team the Lakers have faced in the playoffs over the past five years, with the possible exception of last year's Spurs.
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  • #2
    i predicted pistons in 5, with LA stealing one at home. so far so good. i dont see why they had anyone guarding shaq on the final play - hes not gonna shoot a three, shoulda double teamed kobe bryant, and fouled him as soon as he got the ball.
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    • #3
      I wish there was a way for Malone and Payton to win a title without Shaq and Kobe getting one more...
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      • #4
        Go Kings!!!

        crap

        Go Pistons!!! Big D!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
          I wish there was a way for Malone and Payton to win a title without Shaq and Kobe getting one more...
          Excellent point. I'd be rooting for them if they weren't the Lakers, and they weren't playing the Pistons.

          But those two have been playing like crapity crap crap. Well, Payton has. Almost no offense; his defense was a little better last night, but still fouling too much. Malone played quite a bit better last night, even though he was in a lot of pain. Passed and shot well, but his defense definitely suffered. The Pistons should have taken more advantage of that; I'd expect them to attack Malone with Rasheed Wallace again and again in Game Three, assuming Malone plays.
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          "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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          • #6
            malones a jerk. he doesnt deserve it.
            "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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            • #7
              Malone deserves it. Not as much as Stockton, but he still deserves it.
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              • #8
                I think the biggest story of the series so far has been Shaq's foul shooting.

                65%

                With any other player, you'd be tearing your hair out. But he had been shooting 41% (41%!) in the first three rounds. If he had kept to that pace, Game One would have been a total blowout, and Game Two would have been a fairly comfortable Pistons victory. You've gotta figure his shooting is going to cool down soon.
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                "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                • #9
                  thats fine. when it comes down to later games, his average will go down, so when it really counts, he want be making it. all the freethrows he made in the first game didnt count at all. the average is eventually catch up.
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                  • #10
                    Is there a bigger (literally and figuratively) one-trick pony in the NBA than Shaq? I don't think there's a player in the league I respect less than him.
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                    • #11
                      malone, and sam cassell.
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                      • #12
                        Meh. I've seen Malone pull some decent moves out of his ass when the Jazz used to run up against Jordan and Co., and he can actually shoot the ball. Can't say I know too much about Cassell, but I've seen him play decently on a few occasions.

                        Shaq, on the other hand, can dunk with impunity simply because he's three times the weight of anyone else. I looked better shooting a basketball at age six. He can't dribble, pass or defend and is the last person up the court on just about every play. He's also the least humble person this side of Asher and loves to shoot his mouth off even though he can't actually speak.
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                        • #13
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                          Shaq, on the other hand, can dunk with impunity simply because he's three times the weight of anyone else. I looked better shooting a basketball at age six. He can't dribble, pass or defend and is the last person up the court on just about every play. He's also the least humble person this side of Asher and loves to shoot his mouth off even though he can't actually speak.


                          Shaq is one of the most all-around talented big men in the league. He is maybe the best passing center in the NBA. He has great footwork. He is extremely quick for a man his size. He has been on the all-NBA defensive team.



                          Pete Newell, the greatest big-man coach of all time says that Shaq has the second greatest skills of any center he has ever seen, after only Olajuwon. This include guys like Wilt.

                          There are also many people in the world who have the frame to be as big as Shaq. The NBA has had players both heavier and taller than Shaq. Yet none of these other people have come close to being the player Shaq is? Maybe it's because he can do more than just dunk?

                          Really the Shaq only dunks argument gets pretty old. He doesn't shoot 3's or anything like that, of course, but you don't want you center doing that. Shaq is excellent in every skill a big man uses except free throw shooting. And even here he is underated. He commonly shoots free throw percentages similar to players like Tim Duncan and Ben Wallace, but no tears them apart every time they step to the line.

                          The fact is Shaq is the most dominant basketball player in the world over the last 10 years, and a case could be made for the most dominant of all time. You don't become that type of player by being a one-trick pony.

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                          • #14
                            Bill Russell would have owned Shaq just like he owned Wilt.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SpencerH
                              Bill Russell would have owned Shaq just like he owned Wilt.
                              That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

                              As for the NBA this season, I'm a die hard fan, but I gotta say it's been pretty crappy. The Lakers are the laziest freakin' team I have ever seen. They only bother to even show up 50% of the time. Look at what they did with San Antonio. Lose the first two and then say, oh yeah, we gotta play now, lets win the next 4. I'd love to see Detroit win, but really LA in 6 games is how this is gonna go unless all that slacking finally catches up with them. Basically, I don't see an Eastern conference team being capable of winning it all for a while. Detroit is good and all, especially with Rasheed, but they would still be the 5th or 6th seed in the west.

                              As for gettin Malone and GP rings, I say they both had their chances and they both couldn't beat Jordan and Pippen to get one. This crap of joining LA just to get a title wouldn't be so bad I guess if either one of them was doing a damn thing, but they're not. Also, I think Karl Malone is a douche bag. I wish someone would just knock him on his ass one of these days.
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