Is Islam a form of Fascism?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap
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The German Nation was the primary aim of the nazi's Yes, other Europeans were aryans, but the Nazi had no loyaty to them. Certainly they viewed certain peoples as superior to others in their ability to create culture, but still, loyalty in Germany was to the German State and the Nazi party, not to the "aryan race"


LOTM - the natural impact of ruling a state. Like the policy of the CPSU, which put the Soviet state above international working class interests whenever the came into conflict. I have no doubt that if AQ came into firm control of a state (more so than their precarious position in backward afghanistan)they would put that states interests first. Of course i mean to the states interest as support for their own position, not "real national interest" Nazi foreign policy was clearly not in the real national interest of Germany. (see Hildebrand)

BTW, both with respect to Italian fascist modernism, and German racialism, we are tripping up on the many internal contradictions of fascism. Lets admit it - european fascism, unlike Marxism, was a profoundly anti-intellectual movement, and thus it is very difficult to get a consistent ideogical position out of its writings. We are left, i think, with the kind of historical tracings of influence that Berman does.

You can't get away from the fact that fascism was a highly screwed up ideology that was not at all fully set up. From what you have described from berman, I think he is euating the two for the rationale of creating a call to arms of the left - and perhaps not solely for the validity of the comparison.

I fear i dont do him justice. I really suggest reading him yourself, as this topic seems to interest you.

[Thorn]

SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL!! GRANDISCH FASCISM WILLST NOWIST BECOMEST THE GREATIST JAHRE!

[Whaleboy]

This thread has inspired me to write an autobiography:

"Semantic Masturbation"

[lord of the mark]

ah, the usual antisemantic crowd will troll it.

[GePap]

LOTM - the natural impact of ruling a state. Like the policy of the CPSU, which put the Soviet state above international working class interests whenever the came into conflict. I have no doubt that if AQ came into firm control of a state (more so than their precarious position in backward afghanistan)they would put that states interests first. Of course i mean to the states interest as support for their own position, not "real national interest" Nazi foreign policy was clearly not in the real national interest of Germany. (see Hildebrand)

Form what I have read of Nazi ideology, yes, they do have a scale of human beings, from the culture producing to the culture using to those races that do neither and are actively destrcutive. Yes, the Nazi saw the Aryan races as culture producing, and did hold the hope of Aryan unity vs the scrouge of the sub-humans in the east and the evil jews. BUT this did NOT mean that primary solidarity rested with the Aryan race-the german nation was the center of loyalty. The nazi still envisioned competition with the other Aryan races.

[problem_child]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
However I agree, this thread is basically going to go round and round in circles, people trying to extract some serious points and debate from a topic devised by someone who is trying to troll Islam to make him more secure in the face of broadcast and differed insecurity and misery. The only way this debate is going to end is either in flame or semantics.

That's not fair. If anything this thread was started in response to certain politicians attempting to frame Islam as an antisocial political stance. I do think the question of whether Islamism (that being Islam as a political or supremacist agenda) can be seen as fascistic, as it seems to bring about similar response as fascism does.

[Last Conformist]

In the US the word fascism is of importance only to intellectuals, mainly left of center intellectuals.

If so, it's a quite marked difference to the state of affairs in W Europe.

[Thorn]

THIS THREAD IS AN OFFENSE TO EVERYTHING I STOOD FOR FOR 10 YEARS!!