D-day. "Greater love has no man than this..."

[Pekka]

AH, Yeah well that's different if you had volunteered from other country to help Hitlers reich... Those would come close to the scum IMO too.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Pekka
What? We didn't fight for Hitler.. wtf Ted?

exactly

[Drake Tungsten]

I don't have much sympathy for the German forces, including many non Germans in their ranks, who died. They made a pact with the Devil in the form of Hitler and got what they deserved in the end.

Finally, someone is talking sense. I'm shocked that it's AH, but what are you going to do?

[Pekka]

what a bunch of heartless trollers
Your souls are lost!

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
their cause doesn't matter

Yes it does. Many of them were young and impressionable. Many were forced to fight. They still fought for evil. They deserve the thanks of Germany for putting their bodies in the way of the bullets that Germany brought upon itself. They don't deserve my thanks or admiration.

The truly courageous Germans risked their lives for freedom by refusing to fight, by helping Jews escape the slaughter, by spying for the Allies, by defecting at the first opportunity.

The rest are not criminals simply for fighting when their government told them to. They were simply weak men, and their weakness cost the lives of 50 million.

[Pekka]

You do realise they were under propaganda, right? And that most of them had no idea of Nazi crimes done or about to be done?

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
The SS was different from the Wehrmacht and you know it.

LOL

Good to know you're still living a fairytale world there Ted.

[Pekka]

@ this thread

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Pekka
You do realise they were under propaganda, right? And that most of them had no idea of Nazi crimes done or about to be done?

a) Bull****. You ever hear of something called Kristallnacht?

b) What about the crime of invading nation after nation?

c) Only one who deliberately blinded himself could not see what Hitler was. The censorship alone could tell you that something was amiss.

I hope to God that if I'm ever in a situation where a tyrant puts me on the front lines I'll have the courage to turn my rifle on him. These men didn't.

[KrazyHorse]

I guess a Finn wouldn't understand what it means to fight on the right side, would he...

Slippery little weasels they are.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by East Street Trader
It was a huge undertaking, Che.

Well worth the remembering.

And I agree with Albert that it is worth saving a corner in the memory for the German soldiers who also had to fight and die far from home.

And perhaps for the civilians of whom more died than soldiers.

[notyoueither]

I can't condemn the 18 year old (or 15) German conscript who grew up being brain washed by the regime.

I can damn well blame his damned parents all to hell, but not him.

[Pekka]

KH, your trolls are getting weak. Why don't you just quit it.

[KrazyHorse]

The dead and those who suffered have my respect and compassion for them as human beings.

I reserve my admiration and thanks for those who fought for good.

[Al B. Sure!]

i suggest this be the last post in this thread. unfortunately, it has degenerated into a stupid debate.