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I view Reagan as basically a good man who was used by the proto-Neocons, Big Business and religious wackos, because he was too naive and was already deteriorating, mentaly.
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Re: Reagan's Legacy - How will he be remembered?
Whose? Carters?Originally posted by Drogue
Will he be remembered as a great president who caused an economic boom, showing capitalism working; or an evil mass murderer who precided over someone else's hard won growth?
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Comic relief in charge of 30 000 nuclear warheads."Wait a minute..this isn''t FAUX dive, it's just a DIVE!"
"...Mangy dog staggering about, looking vainly for a place to die."
"sauna stories? There are no 'sauna stories'.. I mean.. sauna is sauna. You do by the laws of sauna." -P.Comment
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Actually it is champ. Sorry to break this to you, but the President of the United States stands for the United States not for everyone. You want a consensus, try the UN.Originally posted by Unspeakable Horror
Screw everyone else, USA is ok and that´s all that matters, Harry Tuttle?
And then you wonder "why rest of the world hate us?"
Good thing that not everyone there thinks like you
And no, not everyone, but a good, large, mother loving chunk Dickwad.
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I will not dance on Reagan's grave.
Not out of respect of the dead (if the dead had an inherent right to respect, we wouldn't see people celebrating the death of so many "bad guys").
Rather, out of respect for you people who loved him.
And also out of regret, that the horror he brought upon the world with his ally Thatcher went unpunished."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Oh, and my previous post was my belated answer to Sava's thread.
As for the topic of this here thread: story will like always be written by the victors. If in 20 years, the US keeps being a capitalist hyperpower, Reagan will be remembered as a great president.
If the US loses its hyperpower status, or if American capitalism gets toned down, Reagan will be depicted as somebody misguided, and overrated. "Murderous" only if the other powers have a strong rivalry with the US, and intend to revile American heroes in their textbooks."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Looks like che is part of the Hitler 2.0 group.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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And just another "little" warning...
I don't really care if you liked the guy or not... thought he was a great man, or a criminal...
But this personal attack crap WILL STOP. You will discuss things in a civil fashion, or you will find yourself not in a position to discuss anything.
IS THAT CLEAR!Keep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron OComment
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On GePap's scale, I am probably a 1.9No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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The horror?Originally posted by Spiffor
And also out of regret, that the horror he brought upon the world with his ally Thatcher went unpunished.
Aren't you haters exaggerating just a touch?Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - RahComment
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And Monk, you totally copied me. I claim exclusive rights to this Reagan pic.
Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - RahComment
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I have about a months' prior claim.
Suffer.
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Yeah, too bad that resulted in thousands of lives needlessly taken. Not to mention the international laws he ignored.Screw Iran/Contra. The man stuck to his guns, didn't take a goddamn poll to decide his actions, and put America first.
Reagan supplied terrorists in Nicaragua with weapons. His goal was to disrupt in any way the Sandista government. It was vital that the Sandistas did poorly, for if they were successful in helping the country, other Latin American countries might imitate them and become communist. This would end the sweatshop labor that American businesses depend on. So, he gave terrorists weapons so that they could rape, torture, and murder thousands of innocent men, women, and children and do anything to hurt the country.The horror?
Aren't you haters exaggerating just a touch?
I call that horror."The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques RousseauComment
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To continue my rant about How Reagan DID NOT win the Cold War:
Yep. And he did not bankrupt the Soviets. He imposed financial burdens on the Ruskies, but the bank was not broken. Their response to Star Wars, for instance, was a fairly small portion of their military budget.
What he did do was engage in senseless posturing with Gorby, to help discredit from the pov of the politburo (pressuring them to press for a coup) the force in Russia that was actually contributing to the end of the Soviet Union, his liberal reforms.
The Cold War ended despite the machinations of Ronnie, not because of him."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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As opposed to, say, China, which dosen't have sweatshops?Originally posted by johncmcleod
Yeah, too bad that resulted in thousands of lives needlessly taken. Not to mention the international laws he ignored.
Reagan supplied terrorists in Nicaragua with weapons. His goal was to disrupt in any way the Sandista government. It was vital that the Sandistas did poorly, for if they were successful in helping the country, other Latin American countries might imitate them and become communist. This would end the sweatshop labor that American businesses depend on.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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