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B5 all the way!!!'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"
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Don't forget Blake's 7!
Code:STAR TREK BLAKES 7 1. The triumph of morality. 1. The triumph of amorality. 2. The Federation is good. 2. The Federation is evil. 3. The Federation is an instrument of 3. The Federation is a fascist democracy and free speech. military dictatorship. 4. Everyone on the ship gets along. 4. Don't turn your back. 5. Reliable friends. 5. Betrayal. 6. Goal: "to explore strange new 6. Goal: to survive, destroy the worlds & civilizations", assist Federation and make a fast Federation colonies and promote buck whenever possible. Federation growth. 7. The basic crew don't die; in fact, 7. The basic crew dies, disappears, they come back from the dead. and finds better things to do. 8. The Captain has a receding 8. The Captain has a perm. hairline or no hair. 9. The heroes chase things. 9. The heroes are chased. 10. Electric shavers that can stun. 10. Cattle prods that kill. 11. A new planet every episode. 11. A new plot every episode. 12. Special effects. 12. 13. When nothing else works, the 13. When nothing else works, the Captain will try deception. crew will try a little truth. 14. Disposable extras. 14. Disposable regulars. 15. The Boy Scout mentality. 15. Niccolo Machiavelli. 16. Occasional sarcasm. 16. Occasional straight dialogue. 17. Stand by your friends. 17. Stand behind your friends. 18. Love will save the day. 18. Love = carelessness = death. 19. Choosing between good and evil. 19. Choosing the lesser of two evils. 20. Mind-meld. 20. Telepathy. 21. Transporters are commonplace. 21. Transporters are amazing. 22. Helpless females. 22. Ball-busting females. 23. An alien crew member. 23. An alien crew member. 24. Computer personality problems. 24. Computer personality problems. 25. Justifying pacifism. 25. Justifying your right to live.
"I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen
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Sci-fi in TV and Movies
is pretty lame about projecting the future of weaponry and warfare. Just take a look at Starship Troopers. In the book, each infrantry man is an incredible fighting machine armed with tactical nukes. In the movie, they might have spaceships, but they are no better armored and armed than current day US Army Rangers.
Have you ever seen the destructive power of the 30mm gun on an A-10 (firing depleted uranium rounds)? It is far more destructive than any sci-fi weapon I have ever seen on TV or the movies. Don't you think people who can regularly cross the distance between stars could do better than that for an infantry weapon?
Some other things that really bother me
Beam Weapons:
If they fire out a continuous beam of destructive power, why don't they ever sweep the weapon while firing?
Smart Weapons:
Our hit rates have gone up by an order of magnitude in the last 20 years. Why do hit rates in the future stay the same or get worse?
Rapid fire:
Why are do most weapons of the future fire single shots? Even the ones that are rapid fire have a slower rate of fire than current day weapons.
Over the Horizon:
Current day weapons routinely target enemies beyond the field of view (over the horizon). Why are weapons of the future limited to line of sight?“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.â€
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man​
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Originally posted by The diplomat
B5 all the way!!!If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
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Re: Sci-fi in TV and Movies
Originally posted by pchang
is pretty lame about projecting the future of weaponry and warfare. Just take a look at Starship Troopers. In the book, each infrantry man is an incredible fighting machine armed with tactical nukes. In the movie, they might have spaceships, but they are no better armored and armed than current day US Army Rangers.
Have you ever seen the destructive power of the 30mm gun on an A-10 (firing depleted uranium rounds)? It is far more destructive than any sci-fi weapon I have ever seen on TV or the movies. Don't you think people who can regularly cross the distance between stars could do better than that for an infantry weapon?
Some other things that really bother me
Beam Weapons:
If they fire out a continuous beam of destructive power, why don't they ever sweep the weapon while firing?
Smart Weapons:
Our hit rates have gone up by an order of magnitude in the last 20 years. Why do hit rates in the future stay the same or get worse?
Rapid fire:
Why are do most weapons of the future fire single shots? Even the ones that are rapid fire have a slower rate of fire than current day weapons.
Over the Horizon:
Current day weapons routinely target enemies beyond the field of view (over the horizon). Why are weapons of the future limited to line of sight?
ACK!Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!
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Blake's 7 is sci-fi at it's best!!!What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation
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That'd be Star Trek II: Wrath of KahnI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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