The Ice Age and the Fertile Crescent.

[Berzerker]

I guess that means you won't be answering my questions...

I read through all that Hueij... AND? Can you post what you consider relevant from that discussion?

[Berzerker]

If Khufu's 2nd son to reign after his death made the Sphinx, why does the inventory stela refer to structures already existent before Khufu even showed up at Giza?

The stela says Khufu found/discovered structures at Giza implying they were already rather old and possibly forgotten in his day, and one of these structures was the "House of Haurun", i.e., the precinct or complex of the Sphinx!!! Am I reading the stela wrong? If so, how? If not, how could one of his sons make the Sphinx when it was there before Khufu arrived at Giza to build the Great Pyramid? You don't see a big problem there?

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Presumably when they want to 'settle drown' the House of Saud will part the Red Sea for 'em, eh, Charly Farly?

Anyway, I notice by its astonishing absence any evidence of this cruel and unjust treatment of these peaceable desert nomads by the Zionist Oppressor State of Israel, fount of all evil. Feel free to tell us (with links, or quotes) just what action the Zionist murderers are taking against these lovely tribal wanderers.

By the by, in case you hadn't noticed, conflict between settled agriculturalists and nomads has been going on since probably before even the Aryan invasions of India and the Near East, and not all Native Americans were nomadic, but don't let those unfortunate little facts get in the way about telling us what a wonderful caring, sharing place, Saudi 'lop your hand off' Arabia is.

I just don't understand what you're still doing in the godless Zionist loving West when you have such perfect states in the Muslim world to emigrate to.

In Ancient Bablyon and in Arabic there war no conflict between nomads and agriculturalist as they both needed each other. The nomad travel with they herd of sheep and goat to find pausture land to feed then than alot of the land nomad graze they animal on was unfit for farming anyway. In arabian only land around orsia was good for farming any way, some of the derest did support sheep and groat gazeing and camel gazeing too. The town folk make and have thing the nomads needed and the nomads have and make thing the town fork needed. Some nomad settle down in town some town people became nomad also. The America Indian trade with each other and the settle indian got along with the nomad indian and both trade with each other.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff
In Ancient Bablyon and in Arabic there war no conflict between nomads and agriculturalist as they both needed each other.

This is patently not true. Many of the ancient wars of Sumeria were based upon such conflicts, and several times the nomads invaded, conquered and then settled down to become agriculturalists themselves.

It's fun when you can make up anything you want, by why not try backing up your assertions?

[MrFun]

. . . . . . Boris beat me to the reply.

[Solomwi]

And both of you should be flogged for attempting a serious response to CBH. You must be part of the Zionist conspiracy that was hatched for no other purpose than to slaughter every last one of those peaceful nomadic folk.

[GePap]

Yeah, CBH makes Ned look like a paragon of normality and common sense.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
Its generally accepted that "civilization" first began around 3,000 BCE in the middle east, between the Tigris and the Euphretes rivers (the Sumerians). Civilization is defined as a state organized society with ranked social order

Doesn't that mean libertarianism equates to the end of civilisation?

[Arrian]

A return to the state of nature, even.

-Arrian

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Doesn't that mean libertarianism equates to the end of civilisation?

no. not all civilizations are the same, and not all are organized in the same way.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Solomwi
Sounds like the Civ situation of circumnavigating your own continent before even discovering the other, Boris.

I'm not saying they didn't sail across the south Atlantic, or even that I'd be surprised to find out they did, just that the open ocean aspect, even given the ancient attention to stars and constellations, makes that voyage more of a momentous feat than sailing around Africa, which could be done within sight of land.

Such a feat isn't so momentous when you consider what the Polynesians accomplished with pretty primitive seafaring technology. Anyone who has ever read "Kontiki" knows such long ocean voyages are certainly feasible.

[Solomwi]

Definitely feasible, but no less impressive because of it.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


This is patently not true. Many of the ancient wars of Sumeria were based upon such conflicts, and several times the nomads invaded, conquered and then settled down to become agriculturalists themselves.

It's fun when you can make up anything you want, by why not try backing up your assertions?

Boris you are wrong. Nomad where apart of Sumeria as sheep and goat herder have to travel to new grazeing places based on the season and supply of grass after the sheep and goat ate grass which meanth they have to move with they herd which meant they where Nomad.
Stop takeing dope as it cloud your mind. Nomad doesnot mean backward people like European and America think. They found at Texas Tech that I have resituted air passage useing than low tech text from Pakistan, They put than cardboard tude around than plastic tude which have than flat plastic bed with than grove that have than plastic thinging. The parient blow thought the cardboard tude to move the thinging than on the side they have number which they record. Than healthly person with no resist air passage would move it to near the 1000 mark, I move it to the 330 mark. There is than hight tech version of the test which involse
than heavy bulkly mass that use 10 kilowatt of power and take 45 minutes to run. They accurate measure the airflow in your throat and mouth down to the millionth place. Which would use it you are than doctor anywhere in the world the low tech test or hight tech test. The low tech test give an answer in seconds.

In the Arabian land area nomard and town people of orias and Mecca got along as they both neeed each other. Mecca was in adry derest area with only the well
of Zam Zam which than angles revealed to Abraham servant who bear his first son. No tribal fighting or blood feud fighting was allow inside or around Mecca at all. The America tribe didnot ever ware than war to force the Nomard Indian tribes of the great plain to give up they way of life like the write man from Europe did.

[MrFun]

Charles -- are you dyslexic?

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by GePap
Yeah, CBH makes Ned look like a paragon of normality and common sense.

First Nomard and town people got along with each other in the ancient world. First raise sheep and goat meant you have to travel to new grazeing land contant which meant the herder have to have than mobile lifestyle in some case they travel hundred of miles in a year. In some part of the world Nomard live in case where farming is inpossible to do. In Arabic land area Nomard where consider than normal part of the culture along with the townman. Only modern white man try to impore his lifestyle on nomard. Look at the way the Germany govenment mistreat the Gryies who only want to live their lifestyle. In Saudic Arabic they once have teacher who travel with then to teach the childern now they use sat tv to do the samething. Germany should do the same.