Star TreK Enterprise

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
This is a real warship:

Warships with wings are for wusses.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Those aren't wings, they're engines. The entire structure, not just the hardpoints at the end. We see in Crusade the Thrusters firing along the "wing" during close ups of when it's manuevering.

Also, the ends of the wings force energy towards the front end, which creates a B.F.G.(tm)

That's not a B.F.G., this is:

[OzzyKP]

Star Wars

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Kucinich


That's not a B.F.G., this is:

Dude, I agree with you. But I think the B5 franchise is simply of higher quality than either ST or SW.

[Illuminatus]

B5=ultimate ****. Only Andromeda is worse than that.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kucinich


Warships with wings are for wusses.

Those are engines you dumbarse.

[Illuminatus]

Ah we must admit it, most races in Star Trek have pretty stupid starship design.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by obstructor
B5=ultimate ****. Only Andromeda is worse than that.

Maybe you were just too stupid to understand it.

[OzzyKP]

One thing I definitely give B5 credit for is having real aliens.

Star Trek's aliens sucked monkey balls. "Oh I'm a totally unique alien species, never mind the fact that I look exactly like a human except for this little ridge on my forehead, I'm totally different."

Lame.

[Verto]

Must....kill...Ozzy....

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Lonestar



Maybe you were just too stupid to understand it.

I watched first two seasons and it was dumb. It had some cool ideas for episodes like assasination of the president but some elements were intolerable. Constantly changing actors, moronic Captain Sheridan, ridiculous report of Earth-Minbart war (yeah right), soul hunters etc. Part of later episodes seemed bad too. Shadows, Vorlons - angels . Lame ideas about super-mega-old races fighting out In total, even Star Trek had better acting (which is pretty humiliating for a series).

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Verto
Must....kill...Ozzy....

Back off or I'll sick MechaGorezilla on you.

[FlameFlash]

Originally posted by Wiglaf

Oh come on. Is it really that important to know the date of first contact with klingons? Or ferengi? Or where minor races go? And I'd hate to break it to you, but re-using the same actor is not a plot hole (not that that has anything to do with enterprise). You know, Lenin had a problem with dates.

Ummm... because one of the main plot hooks in TOS was the war with the Klingons!? Just glad they haven't run into Romulans in Enterprise... that'd really kill their reliability since in the TOS it surprised the heck out of Spock to see them...

And reusing an actor is a plot hole... I mean, come on! I was watching TNG the other day and Tom Paris is at the academy with Wesley... then Voyager comes on... oh that must have been what happened to him when he was kicked out... wait... he had a different name. And what happened to Tuvok's ears!? He was human in Generations!

That's a plot hole.

So if we change the time and circumstances of Earth's first contact nothing changes either?

I guess for you Star Trek has to read like a book, and every date must be internally verified all the time. For me that's COMPLETELY missing the point of the show. Really, make up a date when they met the ferengi. It doesn't matter anyway!! It's completely useless information and it has nothing to do with Star Trek's themes or even 99.99% of its plots. Give me a break.

Not a book, just something where you can go, "oh remember when X happened?" "Yeah, and it impacted Y."

Instead, mostly thanks to Enterprise you have "Remeber when X happened?" "Yeah, but Enterprise changed that..."

It doesn't have to track like a book, but when characters, as they should, recall their lives (like with Picard and the Borg, for instance) it should be accurate, and was. Then Enterprise comes along, basically in the mirror universe (Federation being a whole lot more war-like... or at least Archer is...)

As far as this mirror universe crap, I don't know what to say. People see what they want. TOS looks a LOT different from TNG, in color hues, sets, and everything. The voyager sets are recycled TNG ones. Complain all you want. It's missing the point, and more to the point ,you are inconsistent in that you only pick on enterprise. Whatever.

Uh... of course TOS is different from TNG, not only are they filmed in different eras but they take place in different eras in the Star Trek universe. Then you have Enterprise waltz in looking better than either TOS or TNG yet it somehow happened before?

It's just like the problem of Star Wars Episodes I-III looking improved over IV-VI... though Lucas slightly fixes that problem by going back and 'restoring' them.

"Whatever"

Sorry, my blonde sister-in-law uses that all the time when she has no valid logic behind her arguements... So is that you giving up, or can we still discuss this? Don't take the fact that I think Enterprise as a Star Trek show is lousy personally. It's still a good show, it just doesn't fit in with the rest of the series and should never have been branded 'Star Trek'. Of course, then you wouldn't have people buying into it as much because it wouldn't have been able to tap into the Star Trek following.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
One thing I definitely give B5 credit for is having real aliens.

Star Trek's aliens sucked monkey balls. "Oh I'm a totally unique alien species, never mind the fact that I look exactly like a human except for this little ridge on my forehead, I'm totally different."

Lame.

I agree, and you forgot that alien races in Star Trek can mate and produce offspring with each other. However, this was explained later in the series.
About Babylon 5, most species still look pretty human to me (Narn, Minbari - even Centaurs). Vorlons and Shadows are just exceptions. This argument is bad

[OzzyKP]

Well having Vorlons and Shadows gives B5 two more than Star Trek.

Heck, even Star Wars out did Star Trek in having some underwater races. Plus Ewoks and Jawas.