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  • #76
    @ Sava
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Agathon
      WTF is wrong with you!?! If anything America is turning into a fascist nation. Socialist my arse. You lot are so incompetent that you can't even organize a health care system.
      Lineup for me to get a cyst removed in Canada: 1 year
      Lineup for my father to get a very similar cyst removed in California: 1 hour

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      • #78
        Aeson, have you seen this plan? Sounds similar to your proposal.

        Solomwi is very wise. - Imran Siddiqui

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        • #79
          hmm, lets see Imran

          lets consider 4 people and 3 tax systems

          the 4 people are a Rich man who made 60 Credits, a Middle class man who made 20 Cs, a Poor man who made 15 Cs, and a man in pOverty who made 10 Cs

          the first tax system, what I would call a regressive tax and you a flat tax, is what they use for a lot of the fees and standard taxes (like that to register a car, or a cell phone, or to buy a bottle of Jack), there is just a 'flat tax' of 10 done across the board

          here is what it would look like after taxes
          R = 50Cs (83% left)
          M = 10Cs (50% left)
          P = 5Cs (33% left)
          O = 0 Cs (0 % left)
          State = 40 Cs

          second lets consider what I would consider a flat tax, lets consider one that takes 50% of the income

          R = 30Cs (50% left)
          M = 10Cs (50% left)
          P = 7.5 Cs (50% left)
          O = 5 Cs (50% left)
          S = 52.5 Cs

          finally lets consider a progressive tax system, where the first 10Cs are not taxed at all, the next 5 are taxed at 20%, the next 5 are taxed at 40%, and everything beyond that is taxed at 75% (this is like what the federal income tax is meant to be now (But the rich break it with their accountants))

          R = 27 Cs (45% left)
          M = 17 Cs (85% left)
          P = 14 Cs (93% left)
          O = 10 Cs (100% left)
          S = 37 Cs

          As is clearly seen, the method that you prefer ****s the poor in the ass, and not in that nice gay way either

          and in fact, the progressive way is the only way that allows the poor material wealth to have the opportunity to survive

          Jon Miller
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          • #80
            You're a total moron. Can you point to a single post by me saying I'd prefer a flat tax?

            Btw, you also have not proved that a flax tax is a regressive tax. It's the same %, and thus cannot be a regressive tax. Your first example is not a flat tax. Tax is a percentage, not an specific dollar amount everyone gets taken out . Who in any thread here, or in the entire world, has proposed your tax 1?! Flat tax indeed!
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Jon Miller
              As is clearly seen, the method that you prefer ****s the poor in the ass, and not in that nice gay way either
              That's gotta go in somebody's sig.
              ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                You're a total moron. Can you point to a single post by me saying I'd prefer a flat tax?

                Btw, you also have not proved that a flax tax is a regressive tax. It's the same %, and thus cannot be a regressive tax. Your first example is not a flat tax. Tax is a percentage, not an specific dollar amount everyone gets taken out . Who in any thread here, or in the entire world, has proposed your tax 1?! Flat tax indeed!
                that is (Sorta) what sales taxes are like

                and deffinitely what the fees are like (to do stuff like own a cell phone or a car)

                and it is deffinitely a regressive tax (where the rich pay a smaller percentage)

                and overall the tax system would be more like that than progressive if the income tax went to a flat tax

                JM
                Jon Miller-
                I AM.CANADIAN
                GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Solomwi
                  Aeson, have you seen this plan? Sounds similar to your proposal.

                  http://www.fairtax.org/
                  Yah, I've seen it before. Haven't really looked into it much as there is little to no chance it will happen anytime soon.

                  If it did happen, I'd fully expect our government to have a shoddy version that's no better than our current shoddy version of income taxes.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Asher
                    Lineup for me to get a cyst removed in Canada: 1 year
                    Lineup for my father to get a very similar cyst removed in California: 1 hour
                    Ironically, you reinforce his point.
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                    • #85
                      that is (Sorta) what sales taxes are like


                      Um.. sales taxes are on PERCENTAGE. So no.

                      and deffinitely what the fees are like (to do stuff like own a cell phone or a car)


                      Cell phones or car prices aren't taxes. So no dice.

                      and overall the tax system would be more like that than progressive if the income tax went to a flat tax


                      Yes MORE LIKE THAT... not EXACTLY THAT! See the flat tax is this thing which is neither progressive nor regressive. It's right in the middle (equal % taken). A flat tax is more regressive than a progressive tax, but it ain't a regressive tax.

                      Ironically, you reinforce his point.


                      I totally and completely fail to see how. He just showed how much more efficient the US's system was in getting a cyst removed.
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • #86
                        I totally and completely fail to see how. He just showed how much more efficient the US's system was in getting a cyst removed.
                        I believe UR meant that in the US, a rich man was gauranteed of getting his cyst gone faster than a poor man.
                        meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                        • #87
                          And Asher's statement demonstrated that how?

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                          • #88
                            How do I know, do I look like UR?

                            Other than that we can assume Asher and his parents are rich because he's always bragging about new computers (especially those loaded with expensive Microsloth products).
                            meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                            • #89
                              How do I know, do I look like UR?




                              But yes, Kucinich is correct in pointing out that Asher's statement doesn't demonstrate at all that a rich man gets his cyst removed faster than a poorer man (even though I believe you were correct in that is what he meant).
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • #90
                                Other than that we can assume Asher and his parents are rich because he's always bragging about new computers (especially those loaded with expensive Microsloth products).


                                He pays for all of his computers with money he makes at work. I can't be sure if his parents are 'rich' or not based on that.
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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