Tax the rich and give to the poor?

[Imran Siddiqui]

@ Sava

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
WTF is wrong with you!?! If anything America is turning into a fascist nation. Socialist my arse. You lot are so incompetent that you can't even organize a health care system.

Lineup for me to get a cyst removed in Canada: 1 year
Lineup for my father to get a very similar cyst removed in California: 1 hour

[Solomwi]

Aeson, have you seen this plan? Sounds similar to your proposal.

http://www.fairtax.org/

[Jon Miller]

hmm, lets see Imran

lets consider 4 people and 3 tax systems

the 4 people are a Rich man who made 60 Credits, a Middle class man who made 20 Cs, a Poor man who made 15 Cs, and a man in pOverty who made 10 Cs

the first tax system, what I would call a regressive tax and you a flat tax, is what they use for a lot of the fees and standard taxes (like that to register a car, or a cell phone, or to buy a bottle of Jack), there is just a 'flat tax' of 10 done across the board

here is what it would look like after taxes
R = 50Cs (83% left)
M = 10Cs (50% left)
P = 5Cs (33% left)
O = 0 Cs (0 % left)
State = 40 Cs

second lets consider what I would consider a flat tax, lets consider one that takes 50% of the income

R = 30Cs (50% left)
M = 10Cs (50% left)
P = 7.5 Cs (50% left)
O = 5 Cs (50% left)
S = 52.5 Cs

finally lets consider a progressive tax system, where the first 10Cs are not taxed at all, the next 5 are taxed at 20%, the next 5 are taxed at 40%, and everything beyond that is taxed at 75% (this is like what the federal income tax is meant to be now (But the rich break it with their accountants))

R = 27 Cs (45% left)
M = 17 Cs (85% left)
P = 14 Cs (93% left)
O = 10 Cs (100% left)
S = 37 Cs

As is clearly seen, the method that you prefer ****s the poor in the ass, and not in that nice gay way either

and in fact, the progressive way is the only way that allows the poor material wealth to have the opportunity to survive

Jon Miller

[Imran Siddiqui]

You're a total moron. Can you point to a single post by me saying I'd prefer a flat tax?

Btw, you also have not proved that a flax tax is a regressive tax. It's the same %, and thus cannot be a regressive tax. Your first example is not a flat tax. Tax is a percentage, not an specific dollar amount everyone gets taken out . Who in any thread here, or in the entire world, has proposed your tax 1?! Flat tax indeed!

[joncha]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
As is clearly seen, the method that you prefer ****s the poor in the ass, and not in that nice gay way either

That's gotta go in somebody's sig.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You're a total moron. Can you point to a single post by me saying I'd prefer a flat tax?

Btw, you also have not proved that a flax tax is a regressive tax. It's the same %, and thus cannot be a regressive tax. Your first example is not a flat tax. Tax is a percentage, not an specific dollar amount everyone gets taken out . Who in any thread here, or in the entire world, has proposed your tax 1?! Flat tax indeed!

that is (Sorta) what sales taxes are like

and deffinitely what the fees are like (to do stuff like own a cell phone or a car)

and it is deffinitely a regressive tax (where the rich pay a smaller percentage)

and overall the tax system would be more like that than progressive if the income tax went to a flat tax

JM

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Solomwi
Aeson, have you seen this plan? Sounds similar to your proposal.

http://www.fairtax.org/

Yah, I've seen it before. Haven't really looked into it much as there is little to no chance it will happen anytime soon.

If it did happen, I'd fully expect our government to have a shoddy version that's no better than our current shoddy version of income taxes.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
Lineup for me to get a cyst removed in Canada: 1 year
Lineup for my father to get a very similar cyst removed in California: 1 hour

Ironically, you reinforce his point.

[Imran Siddiqui]

that is (Sorta) what sales taxes are like

Um.. sales taxes are on PERCENTAGE. So no.

and deffinitely what the fees are like (to do stuff like own a cell phone or a car)

Cell phones or car prices aren't taxes. So no dice.

and overall the tax system would be more like that than progressive if the income tax went to a flat tax

Yes MORE LIKE THAT... not EXACTLY THAT! See the flat tax is this thing which is neither progressive nor regressive. It's right in the middle (equal % taken). A flat tax is more regressive than a progressive tax, but it ain't a regressive tax.

Ironically, you reinforce his point.

I totally and completely fail to see how. He just showed how much more efficient the US's system was in getting a cyst removed.

[mrmitchell]

I totally and completely fail to see how. He just showed how much more efficient the US's system was in getting a cyst removed.

I believe UR meant that in the US, a rich man was gauranteed of getting his cyst gone faster than a poor man.

[Kuciwalker]

And Asher's statement demonstrated that how?

[mrmitchell]

How do I know, do I look like UR?

Other than that we can assume Asher and his parents are rich because he's always bragging about new computers (especially those loaded with expensive Microsloth products).

[Imran Siddiqui]

How do I know, do I look like UR?

But yes, Kucinich is correct in pointing out that Asher's statement doesn't demonstrate at all that a rich man gets his cyst removed faster than a poorer man (even though I believe you were correct in that is what he meant).

[Imran Siddiqui]

Other than that we can assume Asher and his parents are rich because he's always bragging about new computers (especially those loaded with expensive Microsloth products).

He pays for all of his computers with money he makes at work. I can't be sure if his parents are 'rich' or not based on that.