Misbehaving Women, Chivalry Justice

[blackice]

Comrade Tassadar you on drugs, intoxicated? obviously your thinking is less than sound.

chegitz guevara what groups do you belong too?
How involved in this subject matter are you? Follow it closely I guess eh?

Ok put it to the test give us some examples of you treating women like chit.

[DeathByTheSword]

tass you can fight for and the workers paradise and men supremacy...pick one....or the other...

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by blackice
Comrade Tassadar you on drugs, intoxicated? obviously your thinking is less than sound.

Are you a part of the womanese conspiracy? Because let me tell you: This organisation knows *no borders*. They operate freely in every democracy, in every despotism. They have agents poised to take control of *every government on Earth*.
They just don't need to because they are already accomplishing their goals in the United States. The systematic repression and ultimate elimination of the male people's.

[Last Conformist]

I'm reminded of a Swedish feminists who said that only male supremacists cared if some men were abused by their wives. I do hope that wasn't what she meant, but it's what she said.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Tass: Those evil women who cry abuse! They must be stopped, Comrade! They are just trying to ruin the lives of men! Of course we all know that they are all just as powerful as men and are merely doing this so they can be the dominant gender! But of course when the few men who say they were abused are always right, unlike when women do so, because women are so wrong.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Tass: Those evil women who cry abuse! They must be stopped, Comrade! They are just trying to ruin the lives of men! Of course we all know that they are all just as powerful as men and are merely doing this so they can be the dominant gender! But of course when the few men who say they were abused are always right, unlike when women do so, because women are so wrong.

Though I'd prefer that you refer to them as "women".

[DeathByTheSword]

please let somebody say something about capitalism so that Tass is distracted...then we move in for the kill ....what the microphones is still on?

[blackice]

Last Conformist I do too.

Well there you have it people. How anyone can take either of those two fools seriously again I do not know.

They mock both genders in harm in one fell swoop. Rather disturbing and I sincerely hope niether is in the postion of influence related to either cause.

[DeathByTheSword]

you know that they are just janking your chain right?

[GePap]

Originally posted by blackice
GePap I simply gave you an example to show your blanket assuption is nothing more than that.
Who was talking about a disaster? Let's go on with your point though, you are making an assumption women can not take care of themselves in a disaster? Very degrading, How many professional women helped in 9/11, how many women bystanders helped men out in that disaster lot's, as far as kids go well of course. Biologically humm ok women are important but they do not have children on their own, nor is it in the best interest of children not to have a male in their lives. No I disagree we are equally as important to the food chain...

A single male can enseminate hundreads of women, while one woman is needed for one child- if you want 10 children, you generally need 10 women- one single man though would sufice. So if we have 10 men and 10 women and 9 must die but the species continue, then you perhaps keep 2 men (for genetic variance) and 9 women, and we off 8 guys and 1 woman.

So Men as a sex are as important as women- any single individual man thought is far more expendable than any single woman, smply given the realities of procriation. As for "fatherhood", countless of children though hisotry have grown up with one, or two parents missing. the species moves on.

[Last Conformist]

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[East Street Trader]

My experience is that women are generally treated more kindly by the criminal justice system.

I think this is mainly because women are vastly more law abiding than men. And that is understood so deeply by all of us that it is part of one's very sense of what feminity is. Perhaps there is a sort of unspoken acceptance that a woman who breaks the criminal law was probably driven to it - a fact many times true of men but our sense of masculinity makes us much readier to interprete criminal behaviour on the part of men as wholly inspired by pride or self interest.

Or maybe it is just a sort of gallantry.

For myself I welcome it. Because harsh treatment of wrong doers achieves nothing save to sate our need for them to suffer for their misdeeds. So if we, for whatever reason, don't feel that about a particular criminal or particular group of criminals I see no need to be harsh just to achieve some elegance of equality.

There are some exceptions, one of which is extremely visible just now in the UK. Just occasionally a woman becomes viewed as the embodiment of evil. In my time there have been three such in the UK. The first (and greatest) was Myra Hindley - the female half of the Moors murderers. With a man named Brady she abducted, tortured and killed a succession of children - burying the bodies on the Yorkshire Moors. The tape of one little girl pleading for her life is the single most harrowing thing I have ever heard.

This woman was reviled in this country above any other person. And far, far more than was Brady.

The second is a woman called Mary Bell. While a child herself she brutally killed an infant. An imporatant legal point in her case concerned whether she could - at her tender age - know she was doing wrong. I seem to recall she was 10 or 11.

But her age did not save her from a depth of public disgust which exceeds any (until recently) other than that reserved for Hindley.

The third case is a current one. An appalling paedophile abducted and killed two young girls. This third women did no more than provide the man - her partner - with an alibi. When he was convicted for the murders she was charged and convicted of perjury. And given an apropriate sentence.

Of course because of the time she had served awaiting trial her date for realease would have occured relatively soon after the trial. And all the sooner because of measures recently introduced aimed at cutting down on our overpopulated prisons. But the public would not have it. the Home Secretary found himself compelled to take a measure through parliament designed to allow him to at least keep her inside for the full period up to the half way mark of her sentence.

And there are numerous people who say they will seek her out as soon as she is released. The tabloid press feed us an endless steam of vitriol about the woman. Meanwhile the actual (male) child murderer just serves his sentence pretty much forgotten.

It is being asked why these particular women have attracted such exaggerated hate. It is easy to suggest that children having been the victims of the crimes plays some part. But whether that is altogether right I don't know.

To set against this the hanging of a woman not long before we got rid of the death penalty attracted then - and still attracts now - a very great deal of pathos here. And I think that is because for a man's body to be subjected to violent and degrading treatment does not seem out of kilter with the rather aggressive and combative nature of the male. Whereas the same treatment afforded to a woman does not seem at all the same. Something to do with motherhood perhaps. And the particular tenderness that is somehow innate to the female. Anyway I would not be surprised if that particular hanging does not have something to do with the outcone of the succession of free votes in the house of commons that at one time we had here. Some of those who voted against the death penalty were acting on the ouitermost edge of their personal liberality in doing so. The pathos attaching to that particular case could well be the factor which tipped them over.

Anyway my answer is no. I hope that men can eventually be teated more gently by criminal justice but until we manage to progress so far let us be glad if we can at least manage to have sufficiently tender feelings so as feel OK about trteating women chivalrously in that context.

I am sure we can find some other way to even things up for men in the equality stakes. An equal height for the heels of our shoes, perhaps, or equality in the wearing of mascara. Or the right to slam doors when cross or to weep at weddings.

There are plenty of vertile grounds for those who like to ensure that absurdities of all kinds should be exhibited with an attractive meaure of uniformity without looking to decrease such kindness as may be tolerated in the world.

[Nubclear]

You said that already.

[blackice]

DeathByTheSword oh ya but just the same I also think it shows a lot of their mind set.

Kind of like the dj's that were fired for joking about the beheading in Iraq. Thier humor and chain pulling was equaly misplaced and ill conceived.

I am sure both are capable of starting thier own thread joking about gender abuse, although I am not sure it would last long or win them any brownie points with the people at large.

[DeathByTheSword]

true words