BREAKING NEWS: nerve gas found in road side bomb in Iraq

[MrFun]

yeah . . . . .


do whatever the mod says and no gets hurt.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

I guess the military designed, tested, and deployed it against their enemies for a laugh.

No, they designed, tested and deployed it in order to kill plants. The jungles of South Vietnam, in this case. That's what defoliants are made to do, kill plants...

Weedkiller can kill people also . Afew farmer who spray so much weed killer around they house that they kill thenself and they families. There are areas in France that where hit by so much mustand gases durning WWI that you cannot walk in the fields without wearing any heavy boots and you better not lay down on the ground as the mustard gases statured land will burn your skin and it you lay down too long you will be dead. The farmer are paid by the gov ernment to sell they crop as the crops are toxic to eat by people.
Gases are more dangereous in a combine area like inside a builting than the amount to kill people is alot less than military table on the amount of chemicial to kill 50 % of the peope per cubic meter compare to the indoor table which go by parts/billion or part/ million / cubic centimeter to kill all people in the room or area.

[CharlesBHoff]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Given your stated problems with written expression, I'm not sure if that's tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, or an antisemitic rant. Could you please attempt to clarify, so I can determine what to do with you?

This is not a request. [/Q

It is than tinfoil hat consipiracy with some fact behind it when than Arab ran against that senatoe from connection the jewish lorrey wage than snear camg against that guy. I read it in the Jounoral of Middleaestern Affair printed in Washington D.C.

[DinoDoc]

Anti-semetic rant then.

[Sandman]

You mean the whole international community was wrong, and it should revoke the ban on use of these weapons because they're really not as destructive as conventional artillery, etc.?

They're banned because they cause unnecessary suffering. Like some types of bullet. I don't think they should be legalised, since the suffering argument is perfectly legit.

Take it up with the armaments folks who grouped these categories of weapons together starting in at least the 1960's. Another key difference between conventional and unconventional weapons is the capability of unconventional weapons to cause casualties well after the period of attack.

What about landmines? They persist. They're designed for it. As well as unexploded stuff generally. What about depleted uranium? It's toxic, and sticks around.

Who said "one shell" - he was talking about the scale of a weapon, and gas attacks are much more scalable. Gas was developed as a weapon precisely because artillery barrages left a lot of survivors, even after thousands of rounds. They might not hear so well, but artillery prep fire has always been overrated in it's effectiveness.

Patroklos said "it was death on a scale no artillery shell could muster".

I don't see how you can claim that gas was developed because artillery left survivors; if anything, gas left behind more and also didn't damage enemy fortifications. I don't think that it was 'developed' for any reason other than it seemed like a good idea.

It certainly did not have much effect on the outcome of the First World War.

And of course, tactics like ordering troops to march in formation into machine gun fire aren't relevant in those totals, nor is the mass of ordnance used or the frequency of use of particular weapons systems. Pot calling the kettle black?

I happen to believe that the frequency of weapons systems used might have had something to do with their usefulness, especially as the war dragged on (and the primitive tactics used initially gave way to more advanced ones). Gas wasn't very effective; that's the simplest explanation.

Ah, yes, the hazards of low-grade exposure, the detection methods, persistence of effect - all myths, it's the almighty 155mm HE round that's the real potential hazard.

You don't just detect nukes, chemical and biological weapons with specialised sniffing equipment. Conventional techniques are used as well, i.e. radar to spot for planes carrying them. And you can detect explosives with sniffer dogs.

Low-grade exposure; what about getting only slightly wounded by shrapnel? Doesn't that count as low-grade exposure for conventional weapons?

Anyway, suppose I wanted to group together nukes with conventional weapons. I could just as quickly cobble together a short list of similarities: Creates heat, destroys buildings, delivered in the same basic manner as conventional weapons,

You're a bit dated on doctrine. It was mass destruction. It also required hundreds of aircraft, and as you acknowledge, tens of thousands of bombs. You wouldn't need near that much to do the job with CW.

Patroklos said that in order to use chemical weapons effectively, you'd need to use thousands of gallons of it. That entails quite a few planes, does it not?

Have you ever seen artillery in action? "Saturating" a few square miles would take forever, and it would take even longer getting the tubes in range and that much supply built up. Plenty of time for the enemy to move or disperse, and enemy in bunkers would survive bombardments for days. A lot of German coastal artillery units in France surrendered when they ran out of ammunition, despite repeated aerial bombardment, naval and artillery bombardment, and attacks by combat engineers. The survivability of enemy troops under conventional artillery barrages surprises the hell out of most people. Troops aren't stupid enough, and their officers aren't stupid enough, to march to the cannon's roar in open terrain. Those days are gone.

Most of this applies to gas attacks as well.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Anti-semetic rant then.

When is telling the truth is anti-semetic. This anti-semetic thing is use alway by the jewish lobbery in america to attack people they donot like. Use your brain for once.

[CharlesBHoff]

Chemical weapons the military use arenot the most deadly of chemical out there. The military nowday want than chemical weapon agent that breakdown in afew minutes. The Mustard gas use in World War I willnot break down untril afew thousand year pass.

[GePap]

Sandman pwned MtG

Gas attacks worked at first because of the shock factor-but by the end of the war troops with sufficient protection gear could still fight during a gas attack, though less capably.

There is a reaosn that by the end of the war, big breakthroughs were supported not by simply gas attacks,. but mainly by heavy localized barrages that ended suddenly.

[MrFun]

No one pwned MTG -- ever.

[GePap]

And a point I made earlier but ignored:

CW can't be used when it is raining (washes the Chemical out of the air), or too cold (and certainly not when snowing), if it is too windy, or if it is too hot and sunny (the UV radiation helps break down the chemicals)- what a fearsome weapons then! as long as the weather permits its usage.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by MrFun
No one pwned MTG -- ever.

What does pwned mean mr Fun.

[MrFun]

To be utterly, completely, overwhelmingly, absolutely refuted by counter-arguments?

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by GePap
And a point I made earlier but ignored:

CW can't be used when it is raining (washes the Chemical out of the air), or too cold (and certainly not when snowing), if it is too windy, or if it is too hot and sunny (the UV radiation helps break down the chemicals)- what a fearsome weapons then! as long as the weather permits its usage.

Mustard gas isnot realy than gas but a liquich which can be make into a very fine mist that can poision the ground beanch it than the compound is very stable and willnot breakdown untril afew thousand year pas as it isnot biodegradable.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff
When is telling the truth is anti-semetic. This anti-semetic thing is use alway by the jewish lobbery in america to attack people they donot like. Use your brain for once.

When someone goes on about Jews controling America, it's an anti-semetic rant. I don't know why MtG had to ask for clarification.

[GePap]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


Mustard gas isnot realy than gas but a liquich which can be make into a very fine mist that can poision the ground beanch it than the compound is very stable and willnot breakdown untril afew thousand year pas as it isnot biodegradable.

Right... I guess all those fields in France made unusable by the scourge of left-over Mustard gas (which was used in WW1).

Also, given that is is a blistering agent, what is the point of "poisoning the ground"?