Oerdin's Iraq thread - Continued

[ElTigre]

Originally posted by VJ
I've lurked around constantly in both this thread and the past one, not posting anything because I don't really have anything important to say...

At the start of the 2nd thread I just would want to say a big 'thank-you' for posting all of this for Oerdin. It really gives a whole new reason to visit Apolyton when we have our own truthful and propaganda-free correspondant about the war in Iraq in here.

Take care, Oerdin!

[Dinner]

Hey Oerdin, I think of you daily. Please take care of yourself. Please e-mail the word document that Chemical Ollie made when you get a chance. I would save this myself, but you know me, I don't know how. Remember you're in my heart and prayers. Love, Auntie sue

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by MrFun


Yeah -- it's always better to get just one ball cut off, rather than both of them.

What are you talking about?

[DinoDoc]

Oerdin: You're family is free to register. We won't bite.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


What are you talking about?

It sounded like you were trying to underestimate the crimes committed against the prisoners by saying that it is not on that great of a magnitude or that it's not widespread.


But the point really is that this is bad -- period. I used the "cutting off one ball compared to two balls" as an allegory in that whether you get one cut off or both, it does not matter -- it's still bad.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Oerdin: You're family is free to register. We won't bite.

Don't lie to them. Fez alone is responsible for 30% of the rabies cases in SoCal.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by MrFun


It sounded like you were trying to underestimate the crimes committed against the prisoners by saying that it is not on that great of a magnitude or that it's not widespread.


But the point really is that this is bad -- period. I used the "cutting off one ball compared to two balls" as an allegory in that whether you get one cut off or both, it does not matter -- it's still bad.

Of course it is bad. It is horrible. Nobody in their right mind would say otherwise or even attempt to justify what happened.

Morally it is reprehensible.

Practically it is counterproductive.

The point is as was said earlier that one group of dumbasses doesn't mean the entire Army is out doing this kind of thing.

[Cruddy]

Just my tuppenny worth...

As I understand it, the US has now admitted to 2 murders of Iraqis in custody. One was by a soldier who was court martialled and jailed.

The other was by a "private contractor working for the CIA". Presumably they got a medal.

So, as a lefty (compared to some around here) I'm NOT blaming the soldiers.

I'm blaming the spooks.

[Alexander's Horse]

Can we not debate other issues on this thread unless Oerdin raises them please?

Thanks.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Don't lie to them. Fez alone is responsible for 30% of the rabies cases in SoCal.

We'll there's that. But other than Fez we won't bite.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Can we not debate other issues on this thread unless Oerdin raises them please?

Thanks.

My bad.

I agree.

[Bloody Monk]

Pardon my French, but are you folk out of your f'ing minds?? Most of what has been reported so far is on a par with very common fraternity hazing during rush. Only the most blind partisans can compare this to secret, mass graves in the tens of thousands.

That said, the idiots who did these things SHOULD be thrown under the jail for a very, very long time. An alternative might be to form them up, arm them with bunches of flowers, and send them to al Sadr. At the least, that will wipe those stupid grins from their faces.

Don't paint everyone with the same brush. Kerry and Fonda tried that in the 70's. It is just as wrong today. If you just have to flame somebody, please don't direct it at Oerdin.

Monk
(invokes the mirror shield scroll so 'incoming' gets sent backthe way it came)

[Chemical Ollie]

Seems like the Najaf Welcome Commity is out to celebrate your arrival. Remember to duck!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3690669.stm

US troops battle Shias in Najaf


Heavy fighting has broken out between US forces and Shia militiamen in the southern Iraqi holy city of Najaf.
Fierce gun battles and mortar fire are reported, and plumes of smoke were seen rising as US helicopter gunships flew low over the area.

Fighters loyal to the anti-US cleric Moqtada al-Sadr are based in the city, where some of Shia Islam's holiest shrines are located.

US forces have said they will refrain from entering the shrines.

Any such move would cause widespread fury among Iraq's majority Shia population.

A correspondent for the AFP news agency says a heavy US military presence is within a mile of the holy sites.

[chequita guevara]

Okay, new rule. Whenever someone gets killed in wherever Oerdin is, he has to come tell us right away he's okay.

[Chemical Ollie]

He said he will have no Internet connection in Najaf, and will stay there for 30-90 days. That's June, at best.