Noah's Arc

[Docfeelgood]

Why do people need to believe in a God?

I don't need to believe in something that I know is real.


Besides I choose to believe

[Agathon]

If knowledge is justified true belief, what is the justification here?

Finite creatures such as us with limited minds, cannot fathom the infinite nature of a transcendent God. Hence, there's no way of proving whether such an entity exists or not.

[Docfeelgood]

how bout try this?


For lets say, one week just let loose your logic, believe in GOD and talk to GOD and just see what happens.

Ya got anything to lose?



If you should find GOD please share it with us

[Agathon]

You can't let loose logic anymore than you can believe in a round square.

If it is true that God transcends human comprehension, then it must be true that we can never know if he exists or not.

On the other hand, if there is no such thing as logical consistency, then the belief that God exists is compatible with the belief that he doesn't, and that just makes the statement completely meaningless.

So which is it, do we not know, or is the statement meaningless?

[Docfeelgood]

there's no way of proving whether such an entity exists or not.

Proving GOD exist to you is as easy as proving to you that I have a tooth ache.

The tooth ache may be easier

[Agathon]

On the second point. Truth and meaning are connected.

If we understand the meaning of "God exists" then we can formulate truth as the property that the sentence "God exists" has when God exists.

But if you say that we should get rid of logic we end up having to endorse the sentence "God exists and God doesn't exist" which is a contradiction (p and not-p). This is because if there is no logic then there is no such thing as a contradiction.

So if that sentence is to be meaningful, then it is true whenever God both does and does not exist. On the other hand, if you want to get rid of truth as well, then the sentence "God exists" doesn't make a claim about anything.

[Docfeelgood]

You guys are a lot higher on the IQ tree than me.

If you could use smaller words I would apprecate it

[joncha]

Originally posted by Docfeelgood



Proving GOD exist to you is as easy as proving to you that I have a tooth ache.

The tooth ache may be easier

Or... to digress a little in the thread, it's as easy as proving Leprechauns exist, and that they're after me lucky charms.

[Agathon]

I don't see the point anyway. What is solved by proving that God exists?

The existence of a deity doesn't solve the problem of why the world is the way it is, because one can just ask, "Why did God make the world the way he did?" And if one answers, "because it was for the best", one can ask, "Why is this particular arrangement the best?" And so on...

[Flip McWho]

Doc, to you, you accept Gods existence as a given and can thereby find 'proof' in everything. However when you are dealing with people like me and the rest of us here we are working on the assumption that if there is a God we need some damn good proof, and considering that there is no damn good proof then God doesn't exist.

[Docfeelgood]

how bout this?



Can you prove that your mother or father loves you?
Or vice versa.

My faith is as real to me as your love for your parents or their love for you.


It is something that you know is real but have a hard time proving or convencing others.


Does this help explaining?

[Aeson]

I don't see the point anyway. What is solved by proving that God exists?

The question of whether God exists or not. Also, it would give great insight into how to approach life in regards to the proved God and what his stance is in that regard. Sure you could still go your own way, but everyone would have a better knowlege of the consequences of their actions.

The existence of a deity doesn't solve the problem of why the world is the way it is, because one can just ask, "Why did God make the world the way he did?" And if one answers, "because it was for the best", one can ask, "Why is this particular arrangement the best?" And so on...

There will always be more questions. Answering "Is there is a God?" at least allows you to get on to another question.

[Flip McWho]

Doc we understand how you feel about your faith. It is not that that is in question. Its about whether God actually exists or not.

Also concerning parents love, there are ways to somewhat prove you parents love (e.g that they look after and care for you till you leave home etc) However there is no real proof for a God.

[Docfeelgood]

Doc, to you, you accept Gods existence as a given and can thereby find 'proof' in everything. However when you are dealing with people like me and the rest of us here we are working on the assumption that if there is a God we need some damn good proof, and considering that there is no damn good proof then God doesn't exist.

Yep , I see what you mean.


Just try to keep your mind open to the possability.

Please understand that I don't belittle you because you don't believe.
Nor am I trying to git you to become a holy rolling bible thumper.


I feel GOD in my life and it really makes me feel whole.
It feels so good that I just want you ,my friends, to experince this (non emptyness)
as I do.

If I had money/food/gold/knowlege/ect. I would share this with you so in having this (knowing that GOD exists) I would like to share with you also.

I don't know, it just may be in human nature to want to share.
If I appere to have gone off the deep end forgive me.
Please don't hold it against me

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Agathon
I don't see the point anyway. What is solved by proving that God exists?

The existence of a deity doesn't solve the problem of why the world is the way it is, because one can just ask, "Why did God make the world the way he did?" And if one answers, "because it was for the best", one can ask, "Why is this particular arrangement the best?" And so on...

Moreover, you have to ask: "Why was God of such a disposition to create it this way?" Because, in truth, positing a Creator does NOTHING about the question "Why is the universe like it is?"