The British National Party

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Riiiiiiiigghhhht.....

So let's see- take call centres as an example. If a business can't save money by outsourcing, which options will it take?

1- Carry on trading at a relative disadvantage compared to companies who have already done so, meaning their chances of survival get slimmer? Meaning the jobs probably get lost anyway.

2- Switch more heavily into web-based operations, meaning that the jobs get lost anyway but they won't get fined for it.

3- Stop outsourcing and simply relocate to another nation entirely. Meaning the jobs get lost.

[Solly]

How do you impose tariffs on services?

I don't have a clue what you are on about, please explain.

[Derekrage]

Lazarus - If a business can't make a profit with British workers then someone else will.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

That post could be re-worded as "If rising unemployment levels make British workers desperate enough, they'll work for 3rd world pay. Ker-ching!"

Is that part of the plan?

[Derekrage]

Not at all.

[Solly]

Derek, would you stop a Briton from selling something to whomever he wants to sell to?

[Derekrage]

Derek, would you stop a Briton from selling something to whomever he wants to sell to?

No, as long as it's legal then I don't think so.

[Solly]

OK. Would you stop a Briton buying something fom whomever he wanted?

[Derekrage]

OK. Would you stop a Briton buying something fom whomever he wanted?

No as long the company he is buying from is not doing something illegal.

[Solly]

Right..now we've got that sorted..! Where does the protectionist instinct come from then?

[Derekrage]

Right..now we've got that sorted..! Where does the protectionist instinct come from then?

Don't know really, I just believe that british companies should use British, not foreign workers when possible.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

OK- so how does that work?

1- With existing companies, will you only let them set up operations overseas if they use British workers there?

2- Would you impose the same conditions on new, start-up companies?

3- If you answered "yes" to 1 but not to 2, how would you deal with the fact that you're penalising existing companies at the expense of new ones?

4- If you answered "yes" to both 1 and 2, how would you deal with the fact that you're penalising British companies at the expense of foreign competitors?

5- How would you deal with companies who, as they can't outsource labour, simply switch to less labour-intensive operations causing the same number of British jobs to be lost as if they'd outsourced?

6- If you impose all these restrictive laws on British companies, what would you do if they just flicked you the V's and moved their operations to Ireland entirely?

[Caligastia]

Another problem is that British jobs will be lost when foreign companies who have set up operations in Britain get upset with these kinds of restrictions and move elsewhere. Restrictions of these kinds would likely save a few British jobs at the expense of many more.

[Derekrage]

1- With existing companies, will you only let them set up operations overseas if they use British workers there?

no

2- Would you impose the same conditions on new, start-up companies?

If they are in Britain servicing British people then yes.

How would you deal with companies who, as they can't outsource labour, simply switch to less labour-intensive operations causing the same number of British jobs to be lost as if they'd outsourced?

I don't think most companies would do that, afterall if they're trying to outsource the jobs in the first place instead of changing to less labour intensive operations, which would probably be cheaper, then those jobs must be worth doing.

6- If you impose all these restrictive laws on British companies, what would you do if they just flicked you the V's and moved their operations to Ireland entirely?

I don't think these laws would be very restrictive though, all they are doing is ensuring that the British companies who are servicing Britain (like call centres) are employing British people, which is what most of them do anyway.

Another problem is that British jobs will be lost when foreign companies who have set up operations in Britain get upset with these kinds of restrictions and move elsewhere. Restrictions of these kinds would likely save a few British jobs at the expense of many more.

Whats to get upset about? If you are servicing British people in Britain then employ British citizens, seems sensible to me.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Derekrage
I don't think most companies would do that, afterall if they're trying to outsource the jobs in the first place instead of changing to less labour intensive operations, which would probably be cheaper, then those jobs must be worth doing.

It doesn't work like that. If a company estimates that the relative loss they will incur (through using expensive UK labour as opposed to cheap foreign labour plus outsourcing expenses) is greater than the expenses involved in moving to automated web-based operations, then it becomes in their interest to make that switch.

Want examples? In banking, you get Barclays and Royal Bank of Scotland who are outsourcing. HBOS aren't, primarily because they think they'll make greater savings through a greater switch to automated web banking. The jobs are going either way.

I don't think these laws would be very restrictive though, all they are doing is ensuring that the British companies who are servicing Britain (like call centres) are employing British people, which is what most of them do anyway.

If it places British companies at a competitive disadvatage compared to foreign companies then they'll just end up getting forced out of business or bought up.
Where will that leave the glorious BNP's Britain?

Whats to get upset about? If you are servicing British people in Britain then employ British citizens, seems sensible to me.

You don't understand business.