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  • #16
    Re: The British National Party

    Originally posted by Whaleboy
    One must also consider the economic implications of the BNP’s fallacious proposal. Britain, like much of the West in the post-modern era is afflicted by falling birth rates. The “baby-boomers” of the interwar and 1940’s era are retiring and require state support for survival. As a nation, Britain is aging, and at this rate it will reach a point where those in work will be unable to sustain the retired through social security and healthcare costs without drastic increases in tax, which will cause the economy to implode. However, this nation is blessed by an influx of young, able bodied and often well educated immigrants and asylum seekers. This is a terrific economic opportunity, for if they were allowed to work, the wealth generated would help to fuel the economy, and the taxes raised would make it easier for the government to support the grey population. This does beg the question of space, which though sidetracking somewhat from the argument, is the authors opinion that assuming efficient and sensible housing policies, Britain is by no means approaching saturation point.
    This is a bit off the topic, but it seems to me that by importing younger workers to pay for the pensions of the old you are only postponing the problem. Eventually all those young workers you brought in will retire, and also burden the pension system. If you solve that problem by again importing more workers, the cycle repeats. Evenually there just isn't any room left to bring in new people. Then what do you do?

    It would be far more sensible to encourage more self-reliance wrt saving for retirement. If government pensions were phased out and replaced with individual savings then aging populations would surely be less of a problem.
    Last edited by Caligastia; April 13, 2004, 11:11.
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    • #17
      Cali - left-wingers = short-term, ill-thought out "solutions".
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Park Avenue
        Cali - left-wingers = short-term, ill-thought out "solutions".
        Does the BNP propose phasing out govt pensions in favor of encouraging individuals to save for their own retirement?
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        • #19
          on a semi-related note, i don't know if anyone has been watching the BBC series 'if' but they had a program the other week about the aging population. in it one of the experts on there said that if we relied on immigration alone we would need to raise our population to around 85 million to support the 'baby-boomers' when they retire.

          does anyone seriously think that britain can take that many more people, especially as most immigrants settle in london and the south east?
          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

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          • #20
            From what I've seen, Britain is pretty packed already. Not that I've seen an awful lot mind you. I've seen a fair amount of London, some of Dorset, some of Cornwall, and a little town up north called York.
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            • #21
              There are valid arguments against multi culturalism in how it was being portraayed and to some extents implicated. However a vote for the BNP is a vote for Nazis. Its all very well sounding oh so reasosnable and sticking up for the poor oppressed 90% majority, but what exactkly would happen if they got into power, just read a book about German history circa 1933 and you will get a good idea.
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              • #22
                The Stinger, what makes you say that? The BNP are a democratic party that works within the political framework of the country there is no evidence to suggest that they are anything like the nazis. I believe they are the only political party to promise a bill of rights in their manifesto - (taken from the BNP website)

                "We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it."

                There are members of the BNP that would like to see a Nazi like party in Britain but I assure you they are a very small minority and there are surely people like them that are members of the 3 main political parties.
                "When I warned them that Britain would fight on alone, whatever they did, their Generals told their Prime Minister and his divided cabinet that in three weeks, England would have her neck wrung like a chicken - Some chicken! Some neck!" --Winston Churchill, speech made to the Canadian Parliament on December 30, 1941.

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                • #23
                  I semi-support the BNP, theStinger, because they do speak for the man on the street rather than the political classes, and I know that they will never get in power - however, what will happen if more people see sense in BNP's policies (esp. on immigration and crime) is that the other political parties will adopt some of their stances. That is what I want to happen.

                  All this demonising of the BNP as if they want another Hitler is just a joke though, usually perpertrated by the media (such as the BBC) who survive on the whims of the political elite and those brainwashed by them,.
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                  • #24
                    stinger

                    did anyone read trevor philips in the times the other week btw?
                    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                    • #25
                      I agree Park Avenue the amount of propoganda that the BBC, who are supposed to be an independant organisation, spew out against the BNP is unbelievable. Unfortunately a lot of people do believe it.
                      "When I warned them that Britain would fight on alone, whatever they did, their Generals told their Prime Minister and his divided cabinet that in three weeks, England would have her neck wrung like a chicken - Some chicken! Some neck!" --Winston Churchill, speech made to the Canadian Parliament on December 30, 1941.

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                      • #26
                        What has the BBC said about the BNP that is demonstrably false?
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                        • #27
                          They're too clever for that, Cali. You must know how the media spin and twist things, without actually "lying".
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Park Avenue
                            They're too clever for that, Cali. You must know how the media spin and twist things, without actually "lying".
                            Sure, I see things spun that way over here all the time.

                            Regarding the BBC's comments on the BNC - can you show me an example of biased opinion being dressed up as objective reporting?
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                            ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                            • #29


                              All negative. They'd never have a story like this about another political party.
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                              • #30
                                And the BNP, far right? No, many of their policies are quite left-wing or centrist/populist.
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