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  • Reds4ever, the introduction of earlier knockout rounds gives weaker teams a better chance, yes.
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    • Originally posted by Park Avenue
      Reds4ever, the introduction of earlier knockout rounds gives weaker teams a better chance, yes.
      You should go into politics PA, yes, thats one way too look at it, but the other is that you could have to play the likes of Real, Juve, Dortmund and errr....Porto in the early knockout rounds with no second chances.

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      • Originally posted by Kropotkin

        In other 'pools news, Mexes says that he woun't join reds unless they qualify for CL next season. If they don't the'll spend another season with a number of underperforming strikers and about a million defensive midfielders with about as much creativity as my refrigerator.
        Yep, we should have tried ANYTHING to get another season or two out of Litmanen as an attacking midfielder IMO

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        • If only the Premiership was a knockout, huh Reds..
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          • Originally posted by Park Avenue
            If only the Premiership was a knockout, huh Reds..
            Whats your point? There'd still only be one winner and it still wound n't be ManU now, would it?

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            • Whats your point? There'd still only be one winner and it still wound n't be ManU now, would it?
              No, it would probably some team like Newcastle.

              The fact is, knockout rounds are inferior to leagues in producing the better/best winner, but a compromise needed to be struck to reduce the number of games.

              It's not ideal, and we'll get more fluke teams progressing in the CL, so that's what's going to happen. Bit of a pity really, as I'd much rather watch a Man Utd - Real final, or Milan - Chelsea than the Mickey Mouse one we are going to get this year.
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              • Like Wes Brown as central defender in a champions leauge final wouldn't degrade the tournament.

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                • This the same Wes Brown that nullified over 180 minutes the "world's best striker" () to one 40-yard pot-shot that only went in due to poor goalkeeping?
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                  • Who? Kenny Miller?

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                    • Originally posted by Park Avenue


                      No, it would probably some team like Newcastle.

                      The fact is, knockout rounds are inferior to leagues in producing the better/best winner, but a compromise needed to be struck to reduce the number of games.

                      It's not ideal, and we'll get more fluke teams progressing in the CL, so that's what's going to happen. Bit of a pity really, as I'd much rather watch a Man Utd - Real final, or Milan - Chelsea than the Mickey Mouse one we are going to get this year.
                      The problem they had PA, was that noone was interested watching teams NOT knock each other out for most of the competition, people like to have a winner and a loser and having 2 qualify from a group of four (TWICE!!!!), just wasn't exciting enough. Yes, It would probally produce better quality finals, but at the expense of the rest of the tournament.

                      I know you'd like to see Utd in the final, but if you want it to be a meritocracy then ManU arn't in the top 2 (or 4 for that matter) in Europe anyway. So under either system, you don't deserve to be there.

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                      • Real Madrid, Man Utd, and AC Milan are the best three European teams.

                        And no, Liverpool aren't fourth, no matter how many joke cups you win.
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                        • Originally posted by Park Avenue
                          Real Madrid, Man Utd, and AC Milan are the best three European teams.

                          What is it about ManU's CL efforts post 1999 (ie 5 years ago) that gives you cause to believe that anyway? You make it through a league system that is designed to keep teams in and the 'big' teams away from each other then you get to the nitty gritty, meet a decent side and get knocked out?

                          According to you, under the league system should n't a 'top 3' side be reaching (at least!) the semi finals a tad more often than you are?
                          Last edited by reds4ever; April 14, 2004, 18:38.

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                          • Originally posted by reds4ever



                            What is it about ManU's CL efforts post 1999 (ie 5 years ago) that gives you cause to believe that anyway? You make it through a league system that is designed to keep teams in and the 'big' teams away from each other then you get to the nitty gritty, meet a decent side and get knocked out?

                            According to you, under the league system should n't a 'top 3' side be reaching (at least!) the semi finals a tad more often than you are?
                            .....and you're gonna make me wait HOW long for an answer?
                            Last edited by reds4ever; April 14, 2004, 18:39.

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                            • I don't think United is one of the best four teams in europe, although along with arsenal they're close. English teams are always gonna have tough time winning it though cause;
                              1. they play way too many games and
                              2. they play too naieve (allthough is great to watch)
                              Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                              Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                              • You don't have to be a good side to do well in a cup Reds, and likewise you can be a good side and go out in the early rounds, when it's a knockout.
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