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  • #16
    Why "we" did nothing in Rwanda? Unwillingness to expose our boys in the line of fire*, the strategic unimportantness of the region, the Rwandan regime having unlikely friends in influential places, the fact that international politics are alot about realpolitik and not alot about humanistic ideals.


    Spot on. Also African wars are considered par for the course in the West, mostly because of the geographical boundaries and thus many countries have a wait out the wars and see what happens attitute.
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    • #17
      Will it? I'm not aware of much evidence supporting that conviction.

      Edit: This as reply to johncmcleod.
      Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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      • #18
        There are quite a few places that we should be invading if gross human rights violations justify an unprovoked attack.
        Yep. Unfortunately, the current state of this government is a strange combination of total ineptitude and malevolence.

        The closest thing to Rwanda today in terms of magnitude of human rights violations is probably Burma. I'm not sure that I'd oppose an invasion of Burma by this gov't.
        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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        • #19
          Myanmar, not Burma.

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          • #20
            CIA.gov 404
            http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bm.html


            since 1989 the military authorities in Burma have promoted the name Myanmar as a conventional name for their state; this decision was not approved by any sitting legislature in Burma, and the US Government did not adopt the name, which is a derivative of the Burmese short-form name Myanma Naingngandaw
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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            • #21
              Same difference. Burma's a better name.
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              • #22
                I don't see why we shouldn't continue to call the place Burma. But this is definitively OT.

                But the place's "minority policies" are indeed atrocious, and they're not exactly treating the Burmans very well either. However, I'm afraid I'm extremely skeptic that a US invasion would improve matters.
                Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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                • #23
                  I was quite amazed to see the term 'Burma' being in use at here, in ACS; since I haven't seen it written in Finland since... very early 90's, I think. If it's called Burma in the 'states (Altough according to the final and absolute truth Myanmar is the correct, international term), then go on, I don't care that much from semantics, either.
                  Last edited by RGBVideo; April 6, 2004, 21:06.

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                  • #24
                    Of course another reason we went into Iraq is they were working to destroy America and kill Americans. They were the only nation to officially say the Sept 11 attack on New York was good thing and publicly support and congratualate the people who did it.

                    That might make us a little more aggressive at wanting to take a go at them than some country who wasn't actively trying to murder us.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Verto
                      So you would have supported an invasion of Iraq made under a pretense of ending Saddam's murder and brutality?


                      Saddam's murder and brutality ended ten++ years ago.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by St Leo
                        Originally posted by Verto
                        So you would have supported an invasion of Iraq made under a pretense of ending Saddam's murder and brutality?


                        Saddam's murder and brutality ended ten++ years ago.
                        When is the last time you have spoken to a Kurd? Facts please, opinions are like a$$holes.

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                        • #27
                          Saddam's murder and brutality ended ten++ years ago.
                          Around the same time his american support ended.
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                          • #28
                            On the 'why should we front' wasn't the new justification for toppling Saddam that he was a bad guy who killed lots of his own people?

                            I seem to recall that it was US quibbling over using the word 'genocide' which would have forced them to honour the original treaty and miserably failed purpose of the UN, i.e. to prevent future genocides via collective security and a multinational army.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Seeker
                              On the 'why should we front' wasn't the new justification for toppling Saddam that he was a bad guy who killed lots of his own people?
                              A statement that applies to so many countries as to be laughably meaningless. Unless of course you'd care to spearhead the invasion into China or North Korea.
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                              • #30
                                Will it? I'm not aware of much evidence supporting that conviction.
                                Iran, Nicaragua, Indonesia.
                                "The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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