And then God said "April Fool!"

[Dis]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Are you saying Christian morality is based on something other than God's will?

It's based off the bible. Hint: the bible was written by man

[East Street Trader]

Poor woman.

Of course a jury should decide. No one has ever been able to say anything very helpful about the idea of sanity. The only conceivable way to judge this woman is by reference to whatever emotions she and her story arouse.

It is hard to imagine that a jury would judge her harshly.

I doubt any religion worthy of the name would either.

[alva]

Originally posted by Dissident

Most of my relatives are religious. When you insult religious people you insult all my relatives.

Hmm, why is that?
I mean, what's next, do I insult your family for not liking your family's sportsteam, or not liking lasagne while your family does?

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by alva

Hmm, why is that?
I mean, what's next, do I insult your family for not liking your family's sportsteam, or not liking lasagne while your family does?

sports team yes, food.....maybe

[Elok]

This thread itself is a pretty revolting troll, but I suddenly realized that you're all quite right about Christianity and "no true scotsman." It's one of the central tenets of the Christian faith that "there is no man that liveth and sinneth not," that being the whole reason Christ was incarnated in the first place.

To say one is a Christian is to declare an aspiration, not an innate nature-much as many "pacifists" might occasionally snap and smack somebody who really annoys them, or at least feel like doing so. Or like many recovering alcoholics have relapses. To be a Christian is only something to be proud of insofar as you are at least trying to solve your problem instead of wallowing in it like a pig in mud. The only person who totally exemplifies Christian behavior is Christ himself.

[Verto]

Originally posted by gamenaught




So using the term "religionist" is idiotic but killing your own kids because the voice in your head says so is ok!?!

Glad to see you've got your priorities straight.

I was not asked if I would kill my own children.

[Dr Strangelove]

Any real Christian would know that God would not ask them to do such a thing. No sane Christian would ever believe that God would order such a thing. For one, the tale of Abraham's test is pretty much universally taught.

[SpencerH]

I take it that those who are arguing that the god of the christians, jews, and moslems wouldnt demand such a thing are not familiar with the sacrifice of Issac from the OT.

[alva]

Who sacrificed Isaac??? Was it MtG.., it was him, wasn't it!!!Dammit I knew this guy was up to no good...

[gamenaught]

No sane Christian would ever believe that God would order such a thing.

So only insane Christians believe the Bible?

Dt. 21:18, 21: If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... all the men of the city shall stone him with stones, that he die.

Numbers 31:17-18: Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.

Samuel 15:3: Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.

[Snowflake]

Killing is wrong. Now matter who is the subject. If she is insane, she needs to be locked up. If there is a god, and the god orders me to kill my children, I will not dare to defy him, but I will kneel before him, and beg him until he says otherwise.

[Stuie]

Originally posted by HongHu
If there is a god, and the god orders me to kill my children, I will not dare to defy him, but I will kneel before him, and beg him until he says otherwise.

She did beg him:

"I was telling him no, and each time it was getting worse and worse, the way that it would have to be done," Laney said. "I thought it was the Lord saying to me, 'You're just going to have to step out in faith. This is faith. You can't see why. You just got to."'

Anyone that thinks god is talking to them is insane in my book.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Abraham did it, no? If that's not mainstream Judeo-Christianity, I don't know what is.

I wish I remember the Biblical text you're referring to. Did God approve though, of Abraham's sacrifice, even if Abraham THOUGHT God wanted him to do so??


Theologians -- help me out.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Stuie


She did beg him:

I'd continue begging.

Anyone that thinks god is talking to them is insane in my book.

Ditto.

[SpencerH]

for you heathens out there (with no broadband)

The pertinent chunk of Genesis 22 (King James version)

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. [1] 2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. 3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. 4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you. 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together. 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb [2] for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. 13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: [3] as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen.

God stops Abraham, its just a test yuk yuk, but god does tell him to do it, and he was prepared to do so.