When we find something "negative" out about ethnic minorities, why..

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Space05us

Irrelevant. Genes don't measure how similar your traits are. There is some correlation, but having a 95% match doesn't mean I'm 95% like them.

please, please, please, explain why I look like my relatives. I had thought it was because of genes, but you say otherwise.

I think he's arguing on the species level.


At any rate, my understanding is that there are more genetic variations within 'races' than between them. That puts a crimp on genes as an explanation for why other 'races' must be different. (OR put another way, why not define races based on hair or eye colour)

[Kuciwalker]

At any rate, my understanding is that there are more genetic variations within 'races' than between them. That puts a crimp on genes as an explanation for why other 'races' must be different. (OR put another way, why not define races based on hair or eye colour)

Because given that definition, a child of two parents of the same "race" would stand a significant chance of being of a different race from his parents, compared to the virtually impossibility of two black people having a white child

Also, the thing about differences between races is this: the % correlation between the "average" genome for black people and the "average" genome for white people is higher than the % correlation between the genome of people on the extreme ends of the distribution of white people (or black people). This is because the genome contains many things that are not related to race.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Kucinich


Besides skin color and certain genetic tendencies, and the fact that many people of a particular race happen to share similar circumstances.

I was referring to the statement comparing birds to humans.

[Kuciwalker]

Oh, OK.

[Space05us]

You share a smaller percent of your genome with your mom than you do with a male chimp

So my traits are a result of my genetic makeup. You cant have it both way skywalker

(OR put another way, why not define races based on hair or eye colour)

You can, a good historical example: Hitler said arians were white and had blonde hair and blue eyes, his 'master race'.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Space05us

You share a smaller percent of your genome with your mom than you do with a male chimp

So my traits are a result of my genetic makeup. You cant have it both way skywalker

So you think you share more physically with a male chimp than with your mom?

I've never said that your traits aren't a result of your genes, it's that % correlation between two genomes says almost nothing about % correlation between phenotypes (it provides a huge range of potential % correlations between phenotypes).

(OR put another way, why not define races based on hair or eye colour)

You can, a good historical example: Hitler said arians were white and had blonde hair and blue eyes, his 'master race'.

And you know what? That definition doesn't work very well.

[Space05us]

And you know what? That definition doesn't work very well.

niether does saying one person is black and the other is white.

I've never said that your traits aren't a result of your genes, it's that % correlation between two genomes says almost nothing about % correlation between phenotypes (it provides a huge range of potential % correlations between phenotypes).

Irrelevant. Genes don't measure how similar your traits are

Second, relatively small changes in the genome can have HUGE consequences at the level of the entire organism.

Im almost 100% geneticaly identical to my mom arent I?

[Kuciwalker]

Im almost 100% geneticaly identical to my mom arent I?

No - you have an ENTIRE CHROMOSOME DIFFERENT. Besides the difference between your OTHER genes that you inherited from your dad.

niether does saying one person is black and the other is white.

Yes it does - generally, the children of black people are black and the children of white people are white

[Space05us]

No - you have an ENTIRE CHROMOSOME DIFFERENT. Besides the difference between your OTHER genes that you inherited from your dad.

whats the % difference between our genotypes?

Yes it does - generally, the children of black people are black and the children of white people are white

whats the % difference bewtween a black person and me?

[Kuciwalker]

whats the % difference between our genotypes?

Pretty big, comparatively. There are 46 chromosomes in the human genome. In the case between you and your mom, one of them is a completely different chromosome.

whats the % difference bewtween a black person and me?

Assuming you are an "average" white person, much smaller than the largest % difference between white people.

[Space05us]

Pretty big, comparatively. There are 46 chromosomes in the human genome. In the case between you and your mom, one of them is a completely different chromosome.

Assuming you are an "average" white person, much smaller than the largest % difference between white people.

But you already said my phenotype isnt dependent on my genotype! Make up your mind!

Irrelevant. Genes don't measure how similar your traits are.

just admit you were wrong when you made this statement and I'll be happy.

[MrFun]

Cali and PA, sitting in a tree . . . .

K I S S I N G

[Kuciwalker]

But you already said my phenotype isnt dependent on my genotype! Make up your mind!

No! I've said % correlation in genotype does not correspond to % correlation in phenotype.

Irrelevant. Genes don't measure how similar your traits are.

just admit you were wrong when you made this statement and I'll be happy.

Change "genes" to "% correlation in genotype". Happy now?

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Kucinich


Irrelevant. Genes don't measure how similar your traits are. There is some correlation, but having a 95% match doesn't mean I'm 95% like them.

I never said it measured behavioural traits, I said it measured physical traits.

Behavior is measured by society and upbringing. Physical characteristics (as in do I have feet or fins) are determined by genes. How can genes NOT measure how similar your physical traits are? Or am I misunderstanding you...

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Big Crunch


I think he's arguing on the species level.


At any rate, my understanding is that there are more genetic variations within 'races' than between them. That puts a crimp on genes as an explanation for why other 'races' must be different. (OR put another way, why not define races based on hair or eye colour)

This is true. Physical differences between races are due more or less to whats called "founder effect", and generally to whats called "micro-evolution". But the differences are very very slim, you're right.