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Originally posted by Cruddy
Hmm... "Coalition of the willing" becomes "mixed bag of deceived fools".
Hmm... "Coalition of the willing" becomes "mixed bag of deceived fools".
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You act as if the US is to blame for the faulty intelligence of most significant countries for the past decade. -
Absolutely not.Originally posted by Verto
You act as if the US is to blame for the faulty intelligence of most significant countries for the past decade.
I act as if the US ADMINISTRATION is to blame etc etc etc.Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
"The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84Comment
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Originally posted by MikeH
I didn't agree with the war but now we're there we have to finish the job. Quitting now makes things worse and is totally the wrong thing to do.
Exactly. I was ambivalent but said back then if we do go in we best do it right. Now that we're there we got to fix it."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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What most Bushboosters here ignore utterly is that in most of the 'coalition of the willing", the public was never willing, and the governments in general did not join becuase of anything having to do with Iraq, but instead they heard Bush's "with us or against us" and decided their interests were being friends with this admin. Again, Iraq meant nothing really-it was all about thier relation to the US and the admin. that mattered. Well, that relation has not borne fruit. What do any of the coalition of the willing have to show for supporting a war their people's did not? ZIP.
As for the arguement that, having gone to Iraq, people now HAVE to stay to make it better-honestly, bull. People can argue long term it is in their benefits, but just as people here argue sometimes you can;t ban smoking becuase of perosnal responsibility, well, democratic states have their own interests, and Iraq may return to not being one, just as it wasn;t one before Bush begun to demand support in exchange for friendship.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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When I say WE, I of course refer to the US. Other member nations have their own decision to make. Our decision should be the right one to cleanup the mess we created for ourselves.
In any event, the ability to criticize the stupidity of said decision of our own nation and other nations I still reserve."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Australias Labor party:
"I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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Fell free to criticize.Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
In any event, the ability to criticize the stupidity of said decision of our own nation and other nations I still reserve.
See, your first point goes to the heart of it-Spaniards and Australians and most don't see Iraq as their mess-they had governments that went along for their own reasons, against their wishes, and now they have no desire to be part of the US's messn whatsoever.
Bush said he was willing to go it alone becuase it was so important-people are now now taking him at his word, saying fine, and you can be alone in the rebuilding as well.If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
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I wonder whether stating this policy so early in the campaign has some downsides for Labor. The situation in Iraq is fluid, and may continue to get better. The US is going to be putting a lot of money in there in the next year and the rebounding Iraqi economy will make headlines that won't be drowned out by the nattering nabobs of negativity.
Why didn't they wait a couple of months to see how the situation is turning out? Are they in a desparate situation?Last edited by DanS; March 26, 2004, 12:17.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Oh yes, unemployment will plummet from 50% to 30%!
w00t!If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
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There's just no pleasing some people...
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That would be serious progress, if true. But unemployment is at about 25% and falling. The World Bank is predicting that Iraq will be the fastest growing economy this year. Eventually, that will create some positive news stories. The positive impact on the other issues in Iraq is unknown. For instance, will the insurgents and terrorists stop attacking civilians and soldiers due to lack of Iraqi support for their cause? I don't know.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Natural attrition of suicide bombers?Originally posted by GePap
Oh yes, unemployment will plummet from 50% to 30%!
w00t!"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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I also question whether Australian voters will take the risk of pissing off their only credible ally in the region for 350 troops. Since I'm not Australian, I don't have a sense of how much currency this would have.
Australia isn't Spain, which has the cloak of the EU to wrap around itself. The Pacific is a lonely place without the US to backstop you.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Give me a break, fastest growing economy...Originally posted by DanS
That would be serious progress, if true. But unemployment is at about 25% and falling. The World Bank is predicting that Iraq will be the fastest growing economy this year. Eventually, that will create some positive news stories. The positive impact on the other issues in Iraq is unknown. For instance, will the insurgents and terrorists stop attacking civilians and soldiers due to lack of Iraqi support for their cause? I don't know.
Something that wasn't there before is off course a highlighter if enough money is pumped in it. It tells only that people there really have to start from crap again.
And for those rebels, there ain't no support for them already in Iraq, but they still manage to wreck things up. Simply to much hidden weaponry and willing people to die for their cause.
Australia is the 'worldpower' in that area, they're doing very well without US support.Originally posted by DanS
Australia isn't Spain, which has the cloak of the EU to wrap around itself. The Pacific is a lonely place without the US to backstop you.
It's not like the Indonesian army will suddenly jump over and put a camp in the Outback.Comment
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Re: Australian troops home by Christmas if Government changes
The Spanish troops leaving seem like they would hurt worse. Simply because they had more of them in there.Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
This would hurt Bush more than Spain- we're a much closer ally.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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