How were the american indians subjugated?

[Verto]

I just thought I'd read the Spanish had done that blanket bit.

[War4ever]

Originally posted by SKILORD


The spanish didn't use that particular tactic, but they certainly did their share of atrocities.

are we talking diseased blankets here?

[SKILORD]

Yeah, we are.

It was used at least on one occasion by a British (or were the colonies independent... I cannot remember correctly) Officer.

I don't believe that the fact that the Europeans were slaughtering the Americans through disease was quite analyzed by the Spaniards to the point that they would attempt to accentuate that particular effect of their meeting.

They might have, but I can't remember reading about any case of the Spanish using that tactic.

[Kuciwalker]

Re: Re: How were the american indians subjugated?

Originally posted by Kidicious


I can't help but see the similarities between Americans and the terrorists, even the Americans living today, especially with idiots who believe this stupid crap.

It's actually a good parallel, though it fails generally if you're assigning blame.

[War4ever]

Originally posted by SKILORD
Yeah, we are.

It was used at least on one occasion by a British (or were the colonies independent... I cannot remember correctly) Officer.

I don't believe that the fact that the Europeans were slaughtering the Americans through disease was quite analyzed by the Spaniards to the point that they would attempt to accentuate that particular effect of their meeting.

They might have, but I can't remember reading about any case of the Spanish using that tactic.

my understanding is that cortez landed with his men and without firing a shot , basically brought the aztecs/incas i dont' remember which from a population of 100k to 10k b/c of disease and such....

perhaps were talking different things here....

[Kuciwalker]

No, they attacked plenty. However, IIRC disease had actually already reached them from previous contacts elsewhere. The disease was not deliberately spread by the Spanish, unlike with the Americans.

[Verto]

No, that did happen. The European's arrival did cause an incredible amount of deaths, simply by the diseases they brought with them.

[SKILORD]

Oh yes, he did devastate them with disease.

However he did not use the "blankie method"

[Kuciwalker]

nm

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by SKILORD


Not the Spanish and not the Inca.

The British colonists did it frequently to the assorted woodsland tribes.

Did you ever here of a man named Coronado? He made a journey of exploration throughout the southeastern United States. Starting from Florida he traveled as far north as what is today North Carolina, then he turned west, eventually reaching the Mississippi river. Along the way his men spread smallpox. Because the native americans of the east coast had developed a trading economy of sorts the disease spread as far north as New England.

Sailors and fishermen also carried european diseases to the new world. By the 16th century the east coast of North America was a popular fishing grounds for fishermen from England, Portugal, Spain, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, and France.

[War4ever]

ah ok, see, i am learning something new......

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Did you ever here of a man named Coronado? He made a journey of exploration throughout the southeastern United States. Starting from Florida he traveled as far north as what is today North Carolina, then he turned west, eventually reaching the Mississippi river. Along the way his men spread smallpox. Because the native americans of the east coast had developed a trading economy of sorts the disease spread as far north as New England.

Yes, but was that a deliberate act by him, or unintentional?

[Verto]

The Europeans were unaware, at first anyway, of the potential they carried to wipe out untold thousands.

I don't imagine Coronado was intentionally spreading disease.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

The Cherokee received the gift of smallpox from the Spanish also.

[SKILORD]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


Did you ever here of a man named Coronado? He made a journey of exploration throughout the southeastern United States. Starting from Florida he traveled as far north as what is today North Carolina, then he turned west, eventually reaching the Mississippi river. Along the way his men spread smallpox. Because the native americans of the east coast had developed a trading economy of sorts the disease spread as far north as New England.

Sailors and fishermen also carried european diseases to the new world. By the 16th century the east coast of North America was a popular fishing grounds for fishermen from England, Portugal, Spain, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, and France.

My dear Doctor.

I did not intend to deny that Spaniards had spread disease to the native Americans. That they did so from their first meetings is simply beyond debate, it is a fact.

I merely disagreed with the accusation that the Spanish had intentionally spread this disease through the use of smallpox-infected blankets.