So You're a Socialist...

[Fake Boris]

Skilord, every political system implies that there will be coercion.

[Kidlicious]

[SKILORD]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Skilord, every political system implies that there will be coercion.

Aye, how true.

And in this sense I reject all political systems.

There can be no good government simply because they are all dependant upon coercion. They cannot stand, they cannot claim any authority without it.

I say that we should reject the idea of inheritly tyrannical Civil Government altogether and simply learn to live our own lives morally. This is, however, impossible to a society that rejects Objective morality.

The lawmaking apparatus of government is inheritly inefficient (Rules were made to be broken, they cannot act, only re-act). Why should we add more apparattus to something that screws up its most basic charge?

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Since that's impossible I'll settle for a Federal Republic like the US had... let's say 'till the Civil War.

[chequita guevara]

Siklord, you might try actually saying something intelligent, rather than posting totaly BS.

[Ramo]

I would define socialism as basically a belief that the workers ought to control the means of production in some way, whether this control is exercised through a democratic state or directly. As such, I wouldn't classify social democrats (i.e. welfare statists) as socialists since they advocate fundamentally capitalist controls over the economy.

[SKILORD]

Well, you might want to read it, rather than making blanket accusations.

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Here, let us try this che.

Government is based on force, coercion, bullets and prisons.

This is bad.

All government is therefore bad.

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What do governments do?

1) Make laws to regulate morality and establish order.

Is this efficient?

No.

Laws cannot act, they can only react. Murder laws do not stop murder, they only punish afterwards.

Morality, however, causes murder to be unimaginable.

Is it feasable to ask people to be moral:

Not here.

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What is charity?

The free giving of goods to another.

What is theft?

The forcing of charity through the exercise of coercion (see part 1).

[chequita guevara]

None of which is about socialism.

[SKILORD]

Alright, I see.

I merely implied Socialism in the end... not picture clear enough for you.

Socialism rejects that all men are equal.

By taxing men differently it treats them as though they are inequal and therefore it rejects that they are.

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Now my thing about governments.

They cannot do what they are put in place to do well. They suck at their only real job.

If I were bad at my job I wouldn't get a promotion.

And yet Socialism calls for giving government far more power and control of the economy

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Socialism is a movement based on the ideologies. Anarchists, communists, and social democrats are all types of socialists.

Other forms of socialism include Nazism, Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism, John Kerry, Atheism, and the French.

[joncha]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


Other forms of socialism include Nazism, Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism, John Kerry, Atheism, and the French.

socialism = everything I hate
socialism = Satan
socialism = guys who kick puppies for fun

[SKILORD]

Any movements are based on an ideology.

From the far right (Anarchist) to the far left (Big Gov't ie: Naziism and Communism) all are.

Therefore you cheapen the name Socialism until it means nothing,

[joncha]

Originally posted by SKILORD
Any movements are based on an ideology.

From the far right (Anarchist) to the far left (Big Gov't ie: Naziism and Communism) all are.

Therefore you cheapen the name Socialism until it means nothing,

I think you may need help on your left and right there, skilord. Hold your hands in front of you with your index fingers pointing up and your thumbs pointing to the middle. The hand that makes an "L" figure is you left hand.

[Bosh]

It looks like somebody doesn't know what "anarchist" means.

[SKILORD]

Well, let's call it Libertarianism then if it pleases you better.

[SKILORD]

Originally posted by joncha


I think you may need help on your left and right there, skilord. Hold your hands in front of you with your index fingers pointing up and your thumbs pointing to the middle. The hand that makes an "L" figure is you left hand.

You say this because you define the government based on who's lackeys are in office, whether it is the workers or the industrialists who are running things.



I on the other hand don't divide it by "The bad people's Dictatorship" and "My Dictatorship" I see it as simply "Dictatorship" and "More Freedom"