Hamas Founder KILLED

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Sikander


God this sounds exactly like the history of almost every city in the U.S., except that the original inhabitants had enough cultural capital to keep from getting pushed out. The difference is that the Arabs did not have the capability to compete with the European Jews, nor the fexibility to adapt.

I wonder if GePap mourns for the builders of New Amsterdam...

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


We didn't drop a missile into New Jersey to kill him.

Wasn't my point.

In today's world, blind/crippled != harmless.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Guardian


That depends on who you're talking to. Many will argue that Israel is actually winning the public opinion war, on the grounds that Israel has never had a stated goal to destroy the Palestinians or physically force them out of the region.

Yes, some bad things happened when the state of Israel was created and yes, a lot of bad things have been done in Israel's name. But seeking to destroy Israel is not a solution and never will be.

Israel is loseing the public opion war as they have a state goal of killing all Pal. They action now and the past show what they state goal is. You judger than nation by they action not they words or state action. And who side are you on anyway.

[Ramo]

I wanted to say the strategy of carriyng them out ( like timing wrt politics, public opinion, etc. ), He certainly was more than "spiritual guidance" for the Hamas.

Right, that's what I meant by politics.

Why not?

For the IDF to "come knocking" they'll have to pass through 2 miles of dense residential neighbourhoods, and that hardly can go unnoticed, if you know what I mean. by the time, he could be very far away, and doing a house to house search in Gaza could shed FAR more blood than any such kill.

How fast could a man like that really get out of where he's staying? And if he can't be effectively tracked, how did y'all know where he was in the first place?

[DinoDoc]

How fast do you really need to move when you have an army that has to fight its way through 2 miles of dense residential neighbourhoods? That's a lot of advance warning.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Sikander


God this sounds exactly like the history of almost every city in the U.S., except that the original inhabitants had enough cultural capital to keep from getting pushed out. The difference is that the Arabs did not have the capability to compete with the European Jews, nor the fexibility to adapt.

Sorry Sikander, but that comparison is ludicrous, for the very reason you are speaking singly about immigration to a single local in an entire land: Jewish immigration begun in the cities and isolated kibbutz's, but again, the aim of the immigrants was the creation of a brand new political entity-NOT simply to becomes part of the polity, and in doing so chaging the overall polity.

The Irish immigrants did not come to create an Irish homeland in the US-they came to become Americans. Ditto for the Italians, Chinese, Poles, Jews, Russians, Hispanics, so forth and so on.

So to TMM's throw way comment-the inhabitants of New Amsterdam got to stay home when the English took power-most palestinians did NOT.

[Ramo]

How fast do you really need to move when you have an army that has to fight its way through 2 miles of dense residential neighbourhoods? That's a lot of advance warning.

Why do they have to fight?

[Zevico]

Why do they have to fight?

Well they don't have to. But, call it a hunch, but I think a fight would happen.

[The Mad Monk]

Okey-Dokey. Texas, then.

[Zevico]

Israel think they are God chosely people than they can do anything. Ask yourself why the Jew where hated and distrust thoughout history by almnost all group of people.

BINGO! Where's a mod when you need him...

[Saint Marcus]

I am telling you that you wouldn't be able to take him out with a sniper, and you suggest to "simply arrest him"?

They arrested him before.

Twice even, as I recall.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Zevico

BINGO! Where's a mod when you need him...

Let him say what he will.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by GePap

Sorry Sikander, but that comparison is ludicrous, for the very reason you are speaking singly about immigration to a single local in an entire land: Jewish immigration begun in the cities and isolated kibbutz's, but again, the aim of the immigrants was the creation of a brand new political entity-NOT simply to becomes part of the polity, and in doing so chaging the overall polity.

The Jews were immigrating to Palestine, not Israel. Palestine was a much larger entity which was (and still is) overwhelmingly Arab. I do take your point about intention though.

Originally posted by GePap
The Irish immigrants did not come to create an Irish homeland in the US-they came to become Americans. Ditto for the Italians, Chinese, Poles, Jews, Russians, Hispanics, so forth and so on.

The Irish came mostly to survive. I doubt that they had much of a notion of the difference in philosophies and governance between the U.S. and Britain, as most were illiterate and many didn't even speak english.

Most of the others came for economic reasons as well, though I'm sure many Jews and some Eastern Europeans came because they hoped for better political conditions. Those seeking better political conditions might well have come because they wanted to be Americans, for the rest it was a means to an end.

[GePap]

Most of the others came for economic reasons as well, though I'm sure many Jews and some Eastern Europeans came because they hoped for better political conditions. Those seeking better political conditions might well have come because they wanted to be Americans, for the rest it was a means to an end.

Right here you point to the very difference: most immigration is driven solely by quality of life concerns, primarily economic. Certainly there was plenty of that in Jews going to the Mandate-but underlying that was an ideological and political movement that also helped immigration along-most immigrant around the world have no "-plans"-they move to make a better life. The Zionist movement did have a plan-to create a Jewish homeland, and Jewish immigration to the Mandate was crucial, given that as you stated, The mandate was overwhelmingly non-Jewish.

This gives the immigration into the Mandate fra greater political significance. IF (improbable but worhtwhile supposition) it became known there was a Chicano organization aided Mexican immigration into the southwest as a means of creating such a demographic balance as to return the southwest to being part of a soverign Mexican nation-what do you think the reaction in the US as a whole would be? (we already have that "genius" Huntington saying the same thing) I think it would be lound, vociferous, and while not likely violent, very antagonistic. Now imagine the WHOLE country was slated to become part of another soverign nation, or "just 50%" of it? Would that sit well with locals?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by GePap


So to TMM's throw way comment-the inhabitants of New Amsterdam got to stay home when the English took power-most palestinians did NOT.

The Dutch settlers perhaps, but certainly not the Amerindians who lived in that same area.