more cracks from europe.

[Saint Marcus]

Spain
Poland

now, everyone else please follow suit and leave and let the US clean up it's own mess.

Europe

[Japher]

now, everyone else please follow suit and leave and let the US clean up it's own mess

and shut up about it too...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by GePap



As for it being not trully global-what is "trully global"? According to the US the Solomon Islands are part of this darned coalition-what the hell are they doing? Dividing the pie is exactly what needs to happen here, the pie of responsibilities.

Given that parts of the Solomon Islands were until last year largely ungovernable, who knows....

http://www.ausaid.gov.au/hottopics/topic.cfm?Id=3057_1155_2398_2240_1375

Perhaps they were denying passports to Ba'ath Party members.

I love Shi's potted history of South East and East Asia- an object lesson in getting as many mistakes as possible into one small rant.

[Pekka]

No, we should help the US with Iraq now, or we can't say anything about it in the future. We had the right, I mean the ones who participated in action, had the right to complain what ever the wanted because they were part of it. But now is THE MOST important face of it all, the building of Iraq and if we leave now, we can't say crap about it anymore. And let's not forget, the US tax payers pay a long penny for helping Iraq now, and we should contribute. Why? Because IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Spain
Poland

now, everyone else please follow suit and leave and let the US clean up it's own mess.

Europe

thats awfully compassionate of u.

[Sandman]

Well, the war is history now, and it would be utterly unfair and short-sighted to withdraw the troops now.

BUT

America has to understand that this has to be the last piece of unilateral meddling that they can do for a long time. Next time, whatever America does, they should have no help whatsoever from the UN and the world. Otherwise we'll just get locked in a cycle of cleaning up after America indefinitely.

[Japher]

Otherwise we'll just get locked in a cycle of cleaning up after America indefinitely.

Yeah, because cleaning up after the Brits, French, Germans, Japanesse, Russians, Italians, and Chinesse has gotten a little old.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Japher


Yeah, because cleaning up after the Brits, French, Germans, Japanesse, Russians, Italians, and Chinesse has gotten a little old.

Yeah, especially in Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, Liberia, the Dominican Republic, the Philippines, Panama, Cuba, Chile, Venezuela, Haiti, the Lebanon, Somalia, Angola, Namibia, Mozambique, South Africa, Iran, Viet Nam, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos- well, anywhere that American foreign policy and practice and intervention has proven itself entirely indistinguishable from 'old' European realpolitik and imperialism.

'The cause of all mankind is the cause of America... we are responsible for the maintenance of freedom all around the world.'

Strangely enough, not Reagan, but John F. Kennedy. Who knew he was so fond of irony?

[Drake Tungsten]

Jesus, Al Qaeda's victory keeps becoming more and more impressive and you ignorant ****s are celebrating it. Disgusting...

[Ned]

Originally posted by GePap
For this simple reason this mission needs to be given to the UN- as I said before-if it is so damned important, it can't be run based on the today political needs of the members-that is a recipe for danger.

I too would be in favor of turning the "policing" of Iraq over to the UN. As we pull out, our own units would be replaced with UN troops -- wait, the UN has no troops, and the portion of Europe that did support us is not withdrawing its troops under pressure from al Qaeda. So, where is this UN going to get its troops?

Any ideas, GePap?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Spain
Poland

now, everyone else please follow suit and leave and let the US clean up it's own mess.

Europe

Hold on there, Saint Marcus. Kerry want to dump it in your laps. He insists that if he is elected, we can pull a lot of our forces out of Iraq and replace them with European troops.

Is he a fool?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Sandman
Well, the war is history now, and it would be utterly unfair and short-sighted to withdraw the troops now.

BUT

America has to understand that this has to be the last piece of unilateral meddling that they can do for a long time. Next time, whatever America does, they should have no help whatsoever from the UN and the world. Otherwise we'll just get locked in a cycle of cleaning up after America indefinitely.

What do you mean by unilateral? We simply did not get France's vote at the UN. We did have a significant coalition --

oh wait, that's right, they were a coalition of the coerced, bribed and are only windowdressing according to John Kerry.

[Shi Huangdi]

" at Shi and his statements about RoK as a democracy!"

Certainly Korea ended up as a dictatorship. But that wasn't how we set it up.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Circlejerk threads are awesome!

So true, so true.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Certainly Korea ended up as a dictatorship. But that wasn't how we set it up.

NO, we set up the machinery of democracy without anything else, and when it quickly failed and a one party state came into power, we did nothing about it.