Terrorists claim victory in Spain

[SpencerH]

Do you ever actually answer any questions, I'm getting tired of the smart-ass bull****?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Not that I disagree with Kid on this one (did I just say that?), but one could argue the 2002 mid term elections were in fact those elections.

Wherein senators not supportive of touhg stances on terror were voted out.

(stirring the GePap, Che, Kidicious pot )

[GePap]

Originally posted by SpencerH
Do you ever answer a question?

Only valid ones.

I support the operation ion Afghanistant, think it has been botched due to lack of resources.

I think we went into Iraq with lack of resources due to massive mistakes in the planning and incorrect ideology driving the effort.

I think not enough has been done in the basics of anti-terrorism that will really improve security.

All in all, the direction taken in calling this a "war" and spending more on the military side than the real security side (the criminal aspects as well) has made the war on terror akin to the war on drugs.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
3) If Al Queda attacks the US before the elections, it will have the opposite affect, as Americans will vote for Bush just to spite them

I agree. It's unfortunate that we are the type of people to cut off our own nose to spite our face.

[GePap]

Oh, nice angry addition Spenciepoo.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Do you NOT see the difference between voting for candidate that the terrorists want because you are scared, and voting for the candidate that they don't want because you don't want them to try that crap again.

What about voting for the candidate you want and hang what the terrorists want?

[chequita guevara]

AQ will claim victory regardless of what happens and what the truth is. Yes, they will claim to have driven the Spanish from Iraq and many, probably most, people in the Arab world will believe them. That doesn't make it true. Perception of reality and reality are different things.

So, instead of crapping your pants about what the terrorists want or think, try being loyal to the truth. Hell, it's not like most of you cared what the terrorists wanted or thought before now.

[Arrian]

AQ will claim victory regardless of what happens and what the truth is. Yes, they will claim to have driven the Spanish from Iraq and many, probably most, people in the Arab world will believe them. That doesn't make it true. Perception of reality and reality are different things.

Perception can become reality (or rather influence policy that changes reality). That's the part that worries me.

Having said that, I otherwise agree with you and the others trying to explain to Kid that his scenario (terror attack -> Kid votes for Bush) is nuts.

-Arrian

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by GePap

Only valid ones.

Since you've answered it now I have to assume it was valid in your eyes. What an honour!

Why dont you try actually answering questions and putting forth alternatives (as below) in place of the bull**** you usually spout?

I support the operation ion Afghanistant, think it has been botched due to lack of resources.

I think we went into Iraq with lack of resources due to massive mistakes in the planning and incorrect ideology driving the effort.

So in other words you support the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq but you feel you could have planned it better.

I think not enough has been done in the basics of anti-terrorism that will really improve security.

Please enlighten us. I am dying to hear an expert opinion on anti-terrorism.

Oh, excuse me, what are your credentials again?

All in all, the direction taken in calling this a "war" and spending more on the military side than the real security side (the criminal aspects as well) has made the war on terror akin to the war on drugs.

Care to provide evidence for this biased ****?

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by GePap
Oh, nice angry addition Spenciepoo.

anytime pap

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Perception of reality and reality are different things.

Based on your political experience, I would have thought that you would have a good understanding that is not true.

[GePap]

Originally posted by SpencerH


Since you've answered it now I have to assume it was valid in your eyes. What an honour!

Why dont you try actually answering questions and putting forth alternatives (as below) in place of the bull**** you usually spout?

Maybe becuase I do not care too much about the feelings of people here, or people who I know I share very few if any common notions?

So in other words you support the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq but you feel you could have planned it better.

Yes and no. Yes for Afghanistan. No for Iraq, insofar as I still do not view Iraq as central in any way to the battle vs AQ, and in fact,saw it as imflamatory to that battle. I would have supported a much better planned invasion of Iraq for other reasons. I laid out my Iraq position out very detailed before the war- Most people ignored that, as they ususally ignore points they don't like (that includes me).

Please enlighten us. I am dying to hear an expert opinion on anti-terrorism.

Oh, excuse me, what are your credentials again?

And yours? Oh, I forgot, you headed the CIA from 24303 to 45670, no?

Care to provide evidence for this biased ****?

Bombings in Madrid, Bali, Istanbul, Iraq, Morrocco, Tunisia, OBL still out, reports on conitnuing security lapses not only at RR lines, but airports still, and lets not even get into highways and ports. And then no reports yet from the 9/11 commissions, and I eould like to here good news about greater information sharing between US agencies and International agencies.

The successes I have seen against AQ and its leadership and financing do not seem to have been followed up, or their effects have worn off significantly.

/me thins that is all biased bs for Spenciepoo anyway, but what does the good all pap now?

[Ned]

GePap, et other Bush haters, what is your plan to "defeat" al Qaeda?

[chequita guevara]

Undermine their source of followers by forcing Israel to deal fairly with the Palestinians, stop supporting dictatorial regimes in the Moslem world, and hunt the bastards down everywhere in the world an brng them to justice.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned
GePap, et other Bush haters, what is your plan to "defeat" al Qaeda?

Alocate the necessary recources to fighting AQ and counterterrorism unlike this admin.