Heavy terr act in Madrid

[M'sieur Baise]

Giancarlo...Do you live in Spain or L.A.?
So it seems that Spain is your country as much as it's mine. But until we both live there, please keep sending your contribution to humanity by voting Republican.

[MRT144]

Haha

[Winston]

Yes, obvious Double Logins with naughty handles can be a lot of fun.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Don't forget sava, ETA has killed 800 over three or four decades and it was logical to think so. And still it is logical to think so.

Not quite, doofus. It's in fact illogical to accuse someone without any proof.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Winston
Yes, obvious Double Logins with naughty handles can be a lot of fun.

Yeah, that's it, M'Sieur Baise is Tripledoc's DL.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by M'sieur Baise
Giancarlo...Do you live in Spain or L.A.?
So it seems that Spain is your country as much as it's mine. But until we both live there, please keep sending your contribution to humanity by voting Republican.

L.A. I hate it here. But truly I am and always will be Spanish.

It is both of our country. We just have differing opinions. That's legal in Spain now.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by M'sieur Baise
Giancarlo...Do you live in Spain or L.A.?
So it seems that Spain is your country as much as it's mine. But until we both live there, please keep sending your contribution to humanity by voting Republican.

I don't think Giancarlo votes Republican. Too left-wing for him. Last time we heard, he was supporting Franco.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by yaroslav
On the other hand. Although Spain has fought muslim, that is becuase we're neighbours.

One of the bin Laden tapes said that Spain would be targetted because of it's crusader history and because it supported the invasion of Iraq.

[joncha]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


I don't think Giancarlo votes Republican. Too left-wing for him. Last time we heard, he was supporting Franco.

As much as Fez may deserve it, let's try to keep the flaming in this thread to a minimum.

jon.

[Fake Boris]

Question: did the Basque people agree with the ETA before they had their autonomy, and dropped support after Madrid offered some concessions?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Don't forget sava, ETA has killed 800 over three or four decades and it was logical to think so.

No it wasn't. Each terrorist organization has an MO. My gut instincts about what group is behind a particular attack is very rarely wrong. This attack has the claw marks of AQ all over it. When I woke up this morning to the news, despite the radio saying it was ETA, I was pretty sure it was AQ.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Question: did the Basque people agree with the ETA before they had their autonomy, and dropped support after Madrid offered some concessions?

Euskadi support for the ETA was once very high, but it has been dropping since the 80s. The ETA was once a left-wing organization, but it has become more and more nationalist and less and less Marxist over time.

During the 1980, Spanish deaths squads targeted suspected ETA members, and the ETA went a little nuts, targetting more civilians and losing people's support.

These days they're little more than a criminal cult.

[Fake Boris]

Terrorism is a sad thing, but sometimes people are just looking for it. National autonomous movements are valid causes IMO, and those who don't want to recognize them are exposing themselves to risks.

This said, it seems like 'negociating' with terrorists can be successful, as demonstrated by the massive opposition to the terror act in Basque territory.

EDIT: I mean that granting them autonomy has turned them into a mostly peaceful people.

[Lord Merciless]

These facts speak for an ETA involvement and against Al Qaeda:

1. Spanish authorities have been cracking down hard on them, possibly infuriating extreme fringe groups.

2. Spanish authorities received intelligence of massive ETA attacks against trains in Dec. last year.

3. Spanish authorities intercepted an ETA van laden with 1000 lbs of explosives on Feb 29.

4. No suicide attacks this time.

5. That Al-Masri and or whoever claimed the responsibility is not for real. That guy or group has claimed the responsility for the power outage last year and denied the responsibility for car-bombing Shias in Karbela this year. We know these were not the case.

6. Lots of maniacs these days are quick to divert attention to Al Qaeda. Remember the Anthrax mailer? That guy was clearly an American who wanted the Patriot Act to pass.


These facts speak against ETA and for Al Qaeda:
1. Well coordinated attacks that went beyond the ability of ETA.

2. There was a warning by Zawahiri a few weeks ago.

3. The attack differed greatly from ETA trademark.

4. Van found with detonators and Arabic Koran tape.


My take on that: 60% ETA and 40% Al-Qaeda.


If the explosives used in the attacks matched the ones seized on Feb 29, then I would say 75% ETA and 25% Al Qaeda.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Terrorism is a sad thing, but sometimes people are just looking for it.

Yeah. Some people just deserve to be murdered.