Anarchism vs. Communism: Ramo's Opportunity

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Boshko
Which would entail what exactly?

Justice is the most general guidelines for me. I believe that people should be compenstated for their work, and that they should pay for thier crimes. I know that sounds like the way it is now, but it's not. For example, many people are paid per diem. I think people should work in groups and groups should be paid piecework. The groups would be responsible for managing themselves.

I'm not really sure how the pay would be determined, but my idea is that it should be determined according to demand and cost or resources. The democratic political process should also be used to determine needs and desires.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You aren't understanding what I'm saying. I do not consider capitalists the legitamite owners of capital. When they no longer have the legal right to coerce us into working for them I believe justice will be served. I do not want my own property. I want justice.

They CANNOT COERCE YOU INTO WORKING FOR THEM.

Thus everything's fine.

[Az]

I'll return to this thread, and to Kucinich's capitalist bull later.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kucinich


They CANNOT COERCE YOU INTO WORKING FOR THEM.

Thus everything's fine.

You make a strong argument, NOT!

[Az]

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kucinich
They CANNOT COERCE YOU INTO WORKING FOR THEM.

Thus everything's fine.

They can an do. All unowned or communal property was taken away from the people, so they could no longer work for themselves but, if they "chose the option not to starve," have to sell themselves to a master on a daily basis.

The only way to opt out of the sytem is suicide, and that's not an acceptable option.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious

Justice is the most general guidelines for me. I believe that people should be compenstated for their work, and that they should pay for thier crimes. I know that sounds like the way it is now, but it's not. For example, many people are paid per diem. I think people should work in groups and groups should be paid piecework. The groups would be responsible for managing themselves.

I'm not really sure how the pay would be determined, but my idea is that it should be determined according to demand and cost or resources. The democratic political process should also be used to determine needs and desires.

Another question, kid, is who would pay them?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned
Another question, kid, is who would pay them?

The currency will be printed at The People's Mint.

[Ned]

So, anyone who wants money just goes down to the mint and takes what he wants?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned
So, anyone who wants money just goes down to the mint and takes what he wants?

The political system will set guidelines and do oversee, but there will have to be a central committee that handles some details. The work groups will have a lot of autonomy, but coordination will come from the center. The centers autority will come from the people though.

Maybe. Or something like that.

[Ned]

Kid, I just love it when someone tries to invent a new economic system from scratch.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ned
Kid, I just love it when someone tries to invent a new economic system from scratch.

One, and only one, of my professors allowed me to design my own society and present it to the class for extra credit. I'm very thankfull for that one professor. I've never had such a satisfying school experience.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
They can an do. All unowned or communal property was taken away from the people, so they could no longer work for themselves but, if they "chose the option not to starve," have to sell themselves to a master on a daily basis.

The only way to opt out of the sytem is suicide, and that's not an acceptable option.

Ever heard of welfare? If you can choose any "capitalism" as an example, then I can point out the Soviet Union as "communism", and it was headed, no matter what, towards totalitarianism (your bull**** about "oh the poor guys just got ganged up on" being just that), so communism is totalitarian. See?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

i think communists should found a company which is owned by everyone and where everyone gets equal pay, and lots of vacations and salaries.

[Kuciwalker]

Isn't that called France?