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  • #16
    It's a description of which side of the parliament a politician is sitting.
    So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
    Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by chegitz guevara
      Left means new, progress. Right means old, anti-progress. All extensions of freedom came because leftists forced rightists to give it up.

      La Lucha Continua.

      Venceremos.

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      • #18
        I prefer to think of "Left" and "Right" as "Liberals" and "Nutcases", respectively
        "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
        ^ The Poly equivalent of:
        "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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        • #19
          Semantics and moral judgments aside,

          left implies (to me), a larger role of government in solving social problems. A de-emphasis of private sector solutions and/or penalizing of same.

          Right implies the inverse.

          Now the real trick is finding real world examples as both left and right definitions are muddy at best.
          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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          • #20
            left implies (to me), a larger role of government in solving social problems. A de-emphasis of private sector solutions and/or penalizing of same.
            Bakunin would be quite surprised to find out that he was a right-winger
            Stop Quoting Ben

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            • #21
              And Bismarck a left winger....

              Yeah, I know the difference about the role of the state Ogie described is often given as the main category for left/right views, but as he said, in reality it is not sooo easy.
              Blah

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              • #22
                Left to me is everything on one side of a particular vantage point, while right is everything on the other side. Objects may change definition if the vantage point isn't fixed.
                I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                • #23
                  Bakunin IIRC as an anarchist did advocate smaller state but did not necessarily envision private sector advocacy.

                  Again left and right are imperfect definitions.
                  "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                  “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                  • #24
                    <- Left Right ->
                    Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse

                    Do It Ourselves

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                    • #25
                      Re: What exactly does "left" or "right" mean to you?

                      This is how I define Left and Right politically:

                      Left: anti free market, favor tight government regulation of economy, favor big social spending, relunctant to use milirary force, more willing to change social traditions.

                      Right: pro free market, favor economic deregulation, prefer to emphasize military spending instead of social spending, traditional on social issues.
                      'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
                      G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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                      • #26
                        <- Right Left ->

                        (I'm dyslexic)
                        "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
                        ^ The Poly equivalent of:
                        "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Arrian
                          Unfortunately for me, neither Left nor Right are producing leaders that do what I want.
                          Hmm...

                          Even though the Republicans are definitely rightwingers that doesn't mean the Democrats are leftwingers.
                          (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                          (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                          (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                          • #28
                            I wouldn't define the current Republican admin as necessarily right wing.

                            OTOH the definition I used above is more appropriate to describe Democrats as left.
                            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                            • #29
                              It seems to me that in America the definition of these terms is set by the partisan nature of our politics. You can cling to some other definition but for all intents and purposes the side of an issue taken by the Democratic Party is the left and the other side is the right and the Republicans are found there.

                              Seldom is an issue found to have three sides. Intellectually, we all now that you can approach any issues from many perspectives but the debate is framed on the positions of the opposing parties.

                              This is really the reason why we do not have a third major party. Most efforts to promote a third party are doomed because of the perception that they come from the extreme end of the political spectrum. In order to make a third party viable, you would need, in addition to money and a charismatic leader, a major signature issue that lends itself to a third distinct viewpoint that appeals to the center. That issue is elusive. Given the current trend of both parties to co-opt the issues of the other, if only in name only, how can such an issue spring forth, never mind a whole new political philosophy.

                              Perhaps the only possibility for a third party would come in the form of a movement instead. I think there are both the need and the promise of a movement to direct democracy in the country. This is the only thing I see on the horizon that could disturb the status quo. Until something happens, however, the left will continue to be almost inextricably associated with the Democratic Party and the right with the Republicans.

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                              • #30
                                oops

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