What group of americans are still being discriminated against?

[The Templar]

BTW Verto, try reading the actual case - First Unitarian v. Salt Lake, 308 F.3d 1114.

And I quote, "The first recommendation, that the City retain an easement for public use "planned and improved so as to maintain, encourage, and invite public use," was a condition of the ordinance as approved by the City Council. Id. vol. I at 191." First Unitarian, 308 F.3d at 1118.

So in order for the sale to meet the requirements of the law, the easement was to include public use - including protests. The city pulled a fast one by adding a bit about the easment not to be construed to necessarily apply to activiteis other than walking. So, the city tried to have it both ways.

The court then looked at how to interpret the easement in terms of the authorizing legislation.

"the City's actions approving the sale and the resulting property ownership structure were specifically designed to ensure these aims were accomplished, and the pedestrian easement was central to these goals. The ordinance the City Council passed approving the street closure and sale--the City's necessary legislative act for closing and selling a public street--was expressly contingent on several conditions. The first of these was that the City retain a perpetual pedestrian easement "planned and improved so as to maintain, encourage, and invite public use." Id. vol. I at 191" First Unitarian at 1126.

Since the sale was authorized by the underlying ordinance, the terms of the ordinance had to be respected.

Next time, read the case before you argue.

PWNED

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Verto


No, the Priesthood was not allowed for Black males(save a few exceptions) until the 1970s - if that is what was meant by the above post. Nothing unusual, considering for example that in Biblical times, the Priesthood was only available to Levites.

Which year in the 70s?

[Verto]

9 June 1978

"As we have witnessed the expansion of the work of the Lord over the earth, we have been grateful that people of many nations have responded to the message of the restored gospel, and have joined the Church in ever- increasing numbers. This, in turn, has inspired us with a desire to extend to every worthy member of the Church all of the privileges and blessings which the gospel affords.

Aware of the promises made by the prophets and presidents of the Church who have preceded us that at some time, in God's eternal plan, all of our brethren who are worthy may receive the priesthood, and witnessing the faithfulness of those from whom the priesthood has been withheld, we have pleaded long and earnestly in behalf of these, our faithful brethren, spending many hours in the Upper Room of the Temple supplicating the Lord for divine guidance.

He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long- promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows there from, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color. Priesthood leaders are instructed to follow the policy of carefully interviewing all candidates for ordination to either the Aaronic or the Melchizedek Priesthood to insure that they meet the established standards for worthiness.

We declare with soberness that the Lord has now made known his will for the blessing of all his children throughout the earth who will hearken to the voice of his authorized servants, and prepare themselves to receive every blessing of the gospel.."

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Verto
9 June 1978

So I'm 2 years off on the date when blacks were no longer second class mormons.


(Oddly, I've never met a black mormon. Have met some Hispanic ones though in Peru).

[Verto]

Well, my ward has a black bishop. Go figure.

[Verto]

Originally posted by The Templar
So I'm 2 years off on the date when blacks were no longer second class mormons.

Second class Mormons?

So all Jews outside of the Levite tribe were second class, since only a small number of them could be priests in the temple?

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Verto



Second class Mormons?

Glass ceiling. What else to say? It wasn't full inclusion in the chuch.

So all Jews outside of the Levite tribe were second class, since only a small number of them could be priests in the temple?

Don't remember enough about ancient judiasm to answer the question. But it sounds like there were no per se tribal limitations to becoming a priest, only an insufficient number of positions to accomodate all who were interested.

But the context here is modern America, not ancient Judea.

[Verto]

It wasn't full inclusion in the chuch.

Not all white males had it, either.

But the context here is modern America, not ancient Judea.

Not when the LDS perspective is that God's Gospel and Priesthood have been Restored, and He is directing the Church. There is a very direct tie in many ways to Judaism and the LDS religion.

[Nubclear]

I'm not even going to bother reading all those posts and stuff.
I'm just going to say this:
The Church does many good things. But the Church really is a political organization as much as a religious institution.
Most of the members are good people. They do good things to. But sometimes they do bad, mean things to people.
I've had church members threaten me with "action" if I didn't convert. I've had other churchgoers engage in a civilized, rational debate and I've had some churchgoers donate money and food to me because they are nice, kind people

[Verto]

Originally posted by The Templar

PWNED

Major ownage.


Church and city government formed a deal; portions of deal later ruled against by the Court. Church appealed. Big deal.

The Church was trying to prohibit vulgar language, loud music, and other disturbances.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
I'm not even going to bother reading all those posts and stuff.
I'm just going to say this:
The Church does many good things. But the Church really is a political organization as much as a religious institution.
Most of the members are good people. They do good things to. But sometimes they do bad, mean things to people.
I've had church members threaten me with "action" if I didn't convert. I've had other churchgoers engage in a civilized, rational debate and I've had some churchgoers donate money and food to me because they are nice, kind people

As with all groups and organizations, there are good, and not so good.
It would be like me judging Catholicism solely by the actions of pedophile priests, or Baptists by the two ministers that whipped a pair of boys.

In the defense of the Church, it's leaders do not try to force, coerce or persuade members to vote for a particular party or candidate, church meetinghouses cannot be used for political purposes, etc. Certainly it wields political influence in Utah, what do you expect when the LDS make up 70-80% of the state?

I've had church members threaten me with "action" if I didn't convert.

Why do you think I'm here?

[Nubclear]

Why do you think I'm here?

It's best that I be moving now, eh?

[Verto]

No, my IP track is still in progress.