I am a liar and a demagogue

[Elok]

SKYWALKER is the most annoying guy you've ever met? Are you hanging out on the same OT forums as the rest of us? The one where every third thread is titled, "How those stupid conservatives screw us over on purpose so they can get tax cuts and get women and minorities to carry them in a palanquin to the country club," or "Poll: Why do you religionist freaks keep justifying your weakness in the face of our endlessly condescending recitation of recycled existentialism?" And that's just the ludicrously belligerent *liberal* trolls, which might offend you personally. Sky is practically Abraham Lincoln by the standards of this place. Jeez.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Spiffor
This thread has turned de-licious!

And yes, people can healthcare, we have such occurences in France: the former government granted a completely free healthcare to the most destitute parts of our society. It resulted in some people going to WAY too many doctors, to take tons of medication to send to the family in the country or origin. A pharmacist pal of mine even served someone who took tons of free medication for his horse.

We in the left need to accept the idea that some people will abuse the system, instead of living in denial. And we, unlike the rightwingers, need to say these systems are very much needed nonetheless, because for one abuser, there are throngs of people who really need this system and would be in terrible misery if it wasn't for them. We should look for ways to punish abuses, so that no theft is performed at the expense of those who really need it.

I can see, Spiffor, why your fellow commies would call you a traitor. It is amazing to see someone on the left with common sense.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Elok
SKYWALKER is the most annoying guy you've ever met? Are you hanging out on the same OT forums as the rest of us? The one where every third thread is titled, "How those stupid conservatives screw us over on purpose so they can get tax cuts and get women and minorities to carry them in a palanquin to the country club," or "Poll: Why do you religionist freaks keep justifying your weakness in the face of our endlessly condescending recitation of recycled existentialism?" And that's just the ludicrously belligerent *liberal* trolls, which might offend you personally. Sky is practically Abraham Lincoln by the standards of this place. Jeez.

Elok, I thorough enjoy jousting with the left. When they insult me, I know it is politically motivated. When the likes of Skywalker insult me, I know it is personal.

[Ned]

Spiffor, you might be amazed, but if I could vote for you, I would.

[Sava]

Spiffor: go to your library, get a whole bunch of those magazine subscription cards, put his address on there and check the box "bill me later". Try to do it for like 100 magazines. It will be such a pain in the ass for him to cancel all that ****. And it might **** up his credit rating as well.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ned
skywalker, why don't go **** yourself. You are the most annoying ass*ole I have ever had the extreme displeasure to "meet." I am quite ashamed that you claim to be on the right. You are obviously are not.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Sava

Are you jealous?

[Sava]

yes I never got you that mad before

[Ned]

Sava, I always enjoy discussing issues with you. You are one of my favorite people.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ned
Sava, I always enjoy discussing issues with you. You are one of my favorite people.

I luv u too

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ned


Elok, I thorough enjoy jousting with the left. When they insult me, I know it is politically motivated. When the likes of Skywalker insult me, I know it is personal.

When I insult you, it's ALSO politically motivated. "Conservatives" aren't some monolithic group, Ned. I'm one, you're one, and we believe VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

[Sava]

skywalker, you're too young to be conservative... at least be a free-thinking liberal for a few years before you turn into an angry, hateful conservative.

[Kuciwalker]

Let me rephrase it, then... I'm a free-thinking person who happens to agree with a group of people who are labelled "conservative"

[Elok]

Maybe Sava's right. You should be an angry, hateful liberal like him. Now, repeat after me: "neo-fascist repuglican ****!"


Just kidding, Sava. We all love you. Anyway, Ned, Strom Thurmond was "conservative," and I wouldn't call it personal if he flamed you. I'd call it miraculous, as he's dead and probably though computers were some form of Jewish Media Conspiracy or something anyway, but that's beside the point.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
I can see, Spiffor, why your fellow commies would call you a traitor. It is amazing to see someone on the left with common sense.

I'm not exactly fond of "common sense", because it is mostly a collection of prejudices and hasty judgments.

But I like to see with eyes unclouded, maybe because of my sociology background. I like to take as many elements I can into account, to get as close to reality as I can. And this knowledge will help me to find the best solution for commie aims.

I've noticed many rightwingers use welfare abusers as an excuse to attack welfare itself. I personally am completely opposed to this logic: I think of welfare abusers as thieves who should be punished from robbing money from those who actually need welfare (well, it's a tad more complex than that, because abusers often need welfare to some extent, albeit a very much lower extent than what they actually use)- but welfare IS great, and the existence of abusers doesn't make it any less great.