I am a liar and a demagogue

[Az]

I give up to your superior logic! Indeed, a system, underwhich many die because they cannot afford medicine, and people overpaying for medicine due to the "need to make profit" is superior.

Thanks, Ned.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie


I'm not familiar with this expression but it sounds like it's something bad.

Bill and Monica was nothing. Who cares where he puts his organ, except Hillary? Bush had much worse scandals, still no one has dared to impeach him.

Oh, it means that the arguments are directed at persons rather than ideas.

I mean, all of this doesn't sound that bad. Who cares if she hired a cleaning maid under the table, or pissed on the floor? That doesn't dismiss the party as a whole.

[Chemical Ollie]

It proves they are hypocrites, if the party leader keeps breaking the fundamental ideology of the party and gets away with it. Not the pissing on the floor scandal but all the rest.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Azazel
I give up to your superior logic! Indeed, a system, underwhich many die because they cannot afford medicine, and people overpaying for medicine due to the "need to make profit" is superior.

Thanks, Ned.

What country are you talking about? Surely not the US? Here the poor are covered by various government programs such as Medical. Many who are not poor simply pay as they go, but this does expose them to major expenses if they become seriously ill.

I personally am in favor of providing health insurance in some form to all Americans. What I oppose is making it "free" for all. We need some out-of-pocket costs and deductablity to reduce abuse.

I also oppose any form of a complete government takeover that would seek to limit choices and to regulate prices. We all know where that leads.

(I am constantly amazed that communists assume that people would not abuse a free health care system.)

[joncha]

Originally posted by Ned
(I am constantly amazed that communists assume that people would not abuse a free health care system.)

How exactly does one go about "abusing" healthcare? Pretending to be sick? That's got to be about the dumbest thing I've heard you say.... I'm impressed, you out-Nedded yourself.

jon.

[Elok]

Sudden thought: if you are accused of demagogy, is stirring up an angry mob on the internet the best way of disproving that accusation?

[Bereta_Eder]

Populist demagogues messing with the people! But the people know! They understaaaaaand who the real enemy is. They see it clearly! They see the populist demagogues spewing their poisonous trickery venom on the peeeeeople. And the peeeople will have revenge!!!!

[Ned]

Originally posted by joncha




How exactly does one go about "abusing" healthcare? Pretending to be sick? That's got to be about the dumbest thing I've heard you say.... I'm impressed, you out-Nedded yourself.

jon.

jon, you really are out-of-touch with reality. I bet you even believe in the tooth fairy.

[Ted Striker]

Okay then who was leaving all that money under my pillow WISE GUY????

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ned


jon, you really are out-of-touch with reality. I bet you even believe in the tooth fairy.

I never believed the Nedaverse could contain such delicious irony.

[Ned]

skywalker, why don't go **** yourself. You are the most annoying ass*ole I have ever had the extreme displeasure to "meet." I am quite ashamed that you claim to be on the right. You are obviously are not.

[chequita guevara]

[Spiffor]

This thread has turned de-licious!

And yes, people can healthcare, we have such occurences in France: the former government granted a completely free healthcare to the most destitute parts of our society. It resulted in some people going to WAY too many doctors, to take tons of medication to send to the family in the country or origin. A pharmacist pal of mine even served someone who took tons of free medication for his horse.

We in the left need to accept the idea that some people will abuse the system, instead of living in denial. And we, unlike the rightwingers, need to say these systems are very much needed nonetheless, because for one abuser, there are throngs of people who really need this system and would be in terrible misery if it wasn't for them. We should look for ways to punish abuses, so that no theft is performed at the expense of those who really need it.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Elok
Sudden thought: if you are accused of demagogy, is stirring up an angry mob on the internet the best way of disproving that accusation?

It could have been, if I had portrayed him as an evil loser or something.

But I tried to give the most accurate picture of the situation, and I tried not to insult him past what he did to me. This guy has had some achievements in local politics, this guy doesn't only spout nonsense in his critics towards the Party. So I didn't try to gather an angry mob, but rather to vent my frustration.

[Sandman]

Even in Britain, with the NHS, 25% of people won't go to a doctor no matter how serious the problem. This kinda balances out the hypocondriacs.