Animal Rights and Abortion

[OzzyKP]

I just want to say that there is a natural alliance between pro-lifers and animal rights folks. Not only are their tactics similar, but the ideology of each are similiar. I.E. stopping the killing of some non-rational creatures whose death we take for granted. Both of them try to sway people by making people look at pictures of mutilated animals or fetuses.

Except one is considered liberal and one is considered conservative. I think they should work together.

Another thing, a friend of mine is a vegitarian and big animal rights buff, while also very much pro-choice. This brings up some interesting hypocrisy.

For example when eating eggs she checks every one before eating, if there is the slightest red dot in the yoke she refuses to eat it. That red dot means the egg was fertilized and there is a tiny, tiny clump of cells that is a chicken embryo. That in her mind is now an animal and she refuses to eat it because of her vegitarianism. Killing animals is wrong.

However the exact same thing, if it were human she'd justify killing. Even if that tiny dot had developed for 6 months (and more) and was more decidedly personlike.

I wonder how often pro-choice vegitarians commit this obvious hypocrisy?

[Dauphin]

I.E. stopping the killing of some non-rational creatures whose death we take for granted

Animal rights is often to do with avoiding unnecessary pain on creatures. E.g Fox hunting, badger baiting, circus bears, pharmaceutical testing of animals etc....

[Rogan Josh]

I never really understood vegitarians. I don't see why a central nervous system is a cause of distinction. The animals killed in modern slaughterhouses are killed quite painlessly.

Fruitarians on the other hand seem to hold a consistent position.

[Patroklos]

troll....

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
I never really understood vegitarians. I don't see why a central nervous system is a cause of distinction. The animals killed in modern slaughterhouses are killed quite painlessly.

Fruitarians on the other hand seem to hold a consistent position.

You mean that there are people who only eat fruits to the exclusion of vegetables? Why? I'm failry certain that fruits are no more concious than vegetables.

[Rogan Josh]

The idea is that you should only eat parts of a plant that the plant 'intends' or 'wants' you to eat - like its fruit.

[Dauphin]

I think the point would be that fruits are designed to be eaten as part of their species reproductive process.

[The Mad Viking]

Why must people inflict their values on others???

If you don't want an abortion, don't get one.

Don't eat what you don't want to eat.

If I want your advice, I'll ask for it.

[Japher]

I think the animal should reserve the right to have an abortion. I mean, why should I tell the animal that it can or can't have an abortion? I am not even of the same species!!

It's kind of like being pro-life, for the death penalty, and wear alot of cosmetics...eh?

[Patroklos]

Bya vegetarians standards, wouldn't eating fruit be equivalent to eating aborted fetuses?

[Spiffor]

Fruitarianism is like eating PLACENTA!

[Spiffor]

Re: Animal Rights and Abortion

Originally posted by OzzyKP
I wonder how often pro-choice vegitarians commit this obvious hypocrisy?

I have never met any pro-animal matching the description of your friend. Whether vegans or vegetarians, they oppose the useless suffering of animals or the exploitation of animals at all. Even those who refuse to eat eggs do so because of the hen that has laid it, and not because of the potential chick inside.

As for modern slaughterhouses being painless... well... When you see most animals crapping with fear before getting slaughtered, and when you see some of them even die of heart attack during the transit, you can just imagine how humane modern methods are

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
I never really understood vegitarians. I don't see why a central nervous system is a cause of distinction. The animals killed in modern slaughterhouses are killed quite painlessly.

Fruitarians on the other hand seem to hold a consistent position.

Personally, I never understood people's hang-up on Cannibalism. I mean, meat's meat, guy.



As to the topic: Sounds like she does that with the eggs as a sort of gimick to keep her distracted from the fact that eggs in general don't really make alot of sense from the ussual vegetarian's perspective.


EDIT: And yes, modern slaughter houses aren't painless. Niether is the trip there, or the animal's life at the barn, or even it's birth.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Personally, I never understood people's hang-up on Cannibalism.

Neither have I, really .

Well, except for the fact that you have to kill the humans... can't eat one who has died of natural causes really.

[Caligastia]

Well I'm pro-choice and don't usually agree with animal rights groups, so at least I'm consistent.