Is Progressive Taxation Discrimination

[Sava]

@ this thread title


OOHHHHH NOOOOO RICH PEOPLE AND BIG FAT CAT CORPORATIONS ARE SOOOOOOO DISCRIMINATED AGAINST...

gimme a ****ing break, what kind of moron troll is that?

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Sikander


Err, aren't gains on investments indeed subject to a flat tax called capital gains tax?

I don't think CGT is flat rate in the US, rather progressive. There are also a lot of loopholes that mean such a tax can be deferred, almost indefinitely.

How that all ties in to GePap's post I don't know.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Verto
I thought the hypothetical scenario was one without government protecting the rich.

As soon as they hired mercenary armies, there would be a defacto government. That's what governments are, mercenaries of the rich.

[Deity Dude]

Just to make something clear:

I didn't say taxation is theft. I said Income Tax was theft.

An Income Tax takes your wealth or labor aginst your will (i.e. theft or slavery)

A Sales Tax, Use Tax, Fee etc. on non-essential items merely changes the price of an item or service that one voluntarily decides to purchase or not.

People have a right to to the fruits of thier labor. They don't have a right to a tax-free price on non-essential goods.

[chequita guevara]

If you agree to live in our country and partpate in our society, there are certain rules you have to abide by. Income tax is one of those rules. You have defacto agreed to abide by these rules by remaining in our society. If you chose not to abide by these rules you must leave. You are free to try and convince us to change the rules, but until you succeed, you must abide by them. Taxation is not theft. It is the price of living here.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Deity Dude
Just to make something clear:

I didn't say taxation is theft. I said Income Tax was theft.

An Income Tax takes your wealth or labor aginst your will (i.e. theft or slavery)

A Sales Tax, Use Tax, Fee etc. on non-essential items merely changes the price of an item or service that one voluntarily decides to purchase or not.

People have a right to to the fruits of thier labor. They don't have a right to a tax-free price on non-essential goods.

You're paid in currency, which is produced and/or guaranteed by the government... they have as much as a right to charge for that service as you do for yours.

[Sava]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If you agree to live in our country and partpate in our society, there are certain rules you have to abide by. Income tax is one of those rules. You have defacto agreed to abide by these rules by remaining in our society. If you chose not to abide by these rules you must leave. You are free to try and convince us to change the rules, but until you succeed, you must abide by them. Taxation is not theft. It is the price of living here.

btw even the BIBLE says taxation is not theft "give unto caesar"...

I don't know where these libertarian dopes come up with this ****

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by MrBaggins


You're paid in currency, which is produced and/or guaranteed by the government... they have as much as a right to charge for that service as you do for yours.

Yes, but they don't have the right to charge for non-related services (well, according to him.)

[MrBaggins]

what non-related service?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by MrBaggins
what non-related service?

Well, roads, schools, hospitals. Are these needed to provide currency?

[MrBaggins]

BTW.. to clarify, the charge is for currency transfer, not for currency possession.

Its not your currency, it always stays theirs... even if you stuff it in a matress... you're just holding onto it for a while.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Well, roads, schools, hospitals. Are these needed to provide currency?

Income tax is the governments charge for a company transfering currency to an individual.

What a government ultimately chooses to do with that received value is up to them... usually determined by popular opinion to be spent on roads, schools and hospitals... and obviously making and guaranteeing money.

[pchang]

Originally posted by Ned
Progressive taxation has nothing to do with financing the government since there are too few rich to tax for their taxes to matter much. Progressive taxation is punitive and can only be justified by some demonstration that it benefits society in some manner.

From an economics point of view, progressive taxation is counterproductive.

From a Marxist point of view, progressive taxation helps lessen the distance between the rich and the poor.

Thus, unless one believes in the class warfare doctrine of Marx, it is quite evident that progressive taxation is ill thought out and harmful to society.

Actually this is not true. In the US, the top 20% of rich people control 80% of the wealth. It is the bottom 80% of people who have too little money for their taxes to matter much.

[Kidlicious]

I have a question for those who are claiming that the govt has the right to tax us because we use their currency. What if we were to use another currency? I believe that that was common in the past and the govt still taxed us.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I have a question for those who are claiming that the govt has the right to tax us because we use their currency. What if we were to use another currency? I believe that that was common in the past and the govt still taxed us.

Common currency is important... I guess you'd be welcome to print your own currency, but how would you guarantee it?

Who'd accept it?