How can the US be labeled a polluter if we don't make anything anymore?

[Lancer]

WooHoo! Hey Spiffor, when do I get me black PJs?



Defiant, freedom doesn't give you the right to drive a 4x4, it just gives you the right to ***** when it gets pulled out from under you.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Defiant
Alva,
I view(biased) the United States as the freeist(sp) nation on Earth.

How many have you been to?

[Defiant]

Lancer,
Freedom does give me the right to own a 4x4 until someone takes it away, and don't you own a couple of those jammies and hug a whold bunch of trees everyday.

[Defiant]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


How many have you been to?

15 why?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Azazel
It's funny that such green power as hydro is being dissed so much by the greens, just because of the destruction of local animal habitat.

Hydropower is very destructive. It pretty much kills the natural ecosystem up and down the river.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Defiant
15 why?

I wanted to know your sample size. Most folks make that statement never having left the country.

[Lancer]

I try not to get emotionally involved with wood. Tough sometimes...

As for me being a commie.

[Az]

Hydropower is very destructive. It pretty much kills the natural ecosystem up and down the river.

Oh no. The poor furry animals.



Rising carbon di-oxide levels = death of humanity.

humanity >> certain populations of animals that live near rivers.

[Az]

also, this is only true for reservoir type hydropower plants.

[Defiant]

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[alva]

So wait, your only defence of fancy useless energy sources like standard wind and solar power is that creating them ensures people know they exist?

I'd rather see one windmill then a 100 tv adverts.

And no, that's not my only defense

Hey, we could do nothing....

It's funny that such green power as hydro is being dissed so much by the greens, just because of the destruction of local animal habitat. It's another clear case of not seing the big picture.

Only animal???

[Tripledoc]

In some places the garbage is burned and the energy derived from that is then used to generate heat or electricity. Also in each individual home the citizens divide their garbage into bio-degradable (for agriculture), non-degradable (for burning generating energy), and poisonous (paint and batteries for instance).
Larger pieces of garbage (durable goods) is further subdivided into re-use or burning.

This combined with sufficient wind energy will go a long way. Each new generation windmill built will in its life time generate enough total energy to the building of three new windmills. So it is sustainable.

Also houses are built with smaller multi-paned windows and thicker walls. This also saves energy.

Remember that a single diode light, on your computer for instance, will in average cost you 8 euros per year. So shut it off at the power source.

[:) Smiley]

people need to stop overclocking

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Azazel
Solar power can be used to fill up certain very specific niches. The same is true about wind. They are of no real use macroeconomically, driving the economies of scale forward.

If each home can power itself via solar and wind power, you save a whole lot right there, no?

Sure, maybe they don't scale well, but you don't always need to think the same way.

[Hurricane]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff
The cost of than fuel cell car manufactor for the generl public would be between 1 to 5 million dollar per car. The problen with fuelcell car is how to storage hydrogen saftly and in the smaller amount of space.

I think this says a lot about the current situation. The technology for being environment-friendly, without sacrificing our way of living, already exists. The problem is that much of this is more expensive than what we use now (of course, upgrading always costs). This is why the state should encourage this upgrading with excises and taxes on environment-unfriendly things. However, as it is now, with Bush taking huge donations from the oil and energy industry, change is going to be slow.