If Kerry becomes Prez

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by GePap


AAARRRGH!!!

If you are stupid enough to think that any president would od nothing after being attacked by a foreing power or terrosit group then you are a fool of Nedian levels!

Whast the hell wouyld Bush do in the situation you outliner? Fly in and drop himself rambo style and single handedly take out the iranian military?!

Sorry, sava may be willing to answer stupid questions, but that is sava, not me.

I think Bush would take military action in the scenario I postulated. As far as I can tell, you appear to believe that Kerry would act militarily as well. Why is so difficult for you to answer then? Perhaps you doubt that he would act but recognize that he should act in such a situation!

[Sava]

Originally posted by SpencerH


During the Clinton years:

October 12, 2000: 17 American sailors are killed and 39 other wounded when a suicide bomber attacks USS Cole in Yemen's Aden harbour.


August 7, 1998: Twin bombings at the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, kill 224 people and wound thousands of others.


June 1996: 19 Americans killed and 500 people injured followng a bomb blast at the U.S. barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia.


November 13, 1995: A bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, kills five U.S. service personnel.


April 19, 1995: A truck bomb at the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, kills 168 and wounds more than 500 others.


February 26, 1993: Terrorist bombers strike the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring more than 1,000 others.


Any idea what our responses were to all that?

In the Bush presidency:

September 11, 2001: nearly 3,000 people die in attacks on the WTC, Pentagon, and a foiled hijacking that crashed in Pennsylvania.

His response? Attack a country where an Islamic government is harboring the spiritual leader (probably not even involved in planning or direct terrorist operations). Topple the regime, and allow the leader (OBL) to escape into a neighboring country. Ignore the problem.

Another response? Attack a country where a tinpot dictator, with no conventional military capabilities, who is contained via sanctions and harshly enforced no-fly zones... and remove a guy who has no proven direct connections to terrorism (in addition to being ideological enemies of said terrorists)...

Kind of makes Bush look like a dope when you know the truth, eh?

Bush is a danger to the national security of this nation. He's making more enemies than he's killing, and our domestic security is being starved of needed resources required to ensure our safety.

Do you remember the Republican opposition to making airline security the job of teh FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? Oh... it's okay to have government enforce the law, fight fires, and be resonders to emergencies... but when it comes to the safety of our skies... well... to possibly save a few bucks, we should privatize airline security.

HELLO??? MCFLY?????

[chequita guevara]

GePap, relax.

[GePap]

Hmm, during Reagan:

63 killed in attack at CIA headquarters in lebanon
270 odd marines killed in Barracks, Lebanon (US fires some shells, pulls out)
2 killed in a diso bombing (we bomb Lybia)
200+ killed over Lockerbie, Scotland...

During Bush 2 AFTER 9 months of inaction and 3000 people killed:

In US occupied Iraq alone:

twin suicide attacks in Kursdish araes of Iraq 100 killed
Suicide bombing in Najaf- 80+ killed
Sucide bombing on UN compound - 23 killed
Sucide bombing at Italian compound -20+ killed
Sucide bombing in front of US headquarters: 20+ killed
Suicide bombing in front of recruits waiting to become police 53 killed
Ditto: 47 killed

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Somolia was a Xmas present from President Bush. Clinton inherited the Mogadishu occupation.

Clinton was nation-building just as Bush jr (now) is doing but Bush Senior wasnt. The difference is that Clinton cut and ran once the casualties started to mount but Bush hasnt (and may pay a political price for it).

[GePap]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
GePap, relax.

I get rilled up when people argue so disingeneously and then accuse me of anything.

He starts a whole thread based on the personal bias he has againts Kerry, and when i don;t engage him at his level, he says I am waffling!?

What the **** do I care if he thinks Kerry would not act in such cases? I answered what I think a Kerry presidency would do. But I guess that was too much answer for him.

[Sava]

Originally posted by SpencerH
Clinton was nation-building just as Bush jr (now) is doing but Bush Senior wasnt. The difference is that Clinton cut and ran once the casualties started to mount but Bush hasnt (and may pay a political price for it).

Somalia was never a "nation building" operation... do you come up with this crap by yourself? or are you believing someone who is feeding you BS?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SpencerH
During the Clinton years:

October 12, 2000: 17 American sailors are killed and 39 other wounded when a suicide bomber attacks USS Cole in Yemen's Aden harbour.

Moved terrorism to #1 priority and began making plans to wage a war on terrorism Earlier in the year they foiled the Millenium Bombing plot.

August 7, 1998: Twin bombings at the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, kill 224 people and wound thousands of others.

Dropping missiles on OBLs camps in Afganistant and also a pharmaseutical plant in Sudan.

June 1996: 19 Americans killed and 500 people injured followng a bomb blast at the U.S. barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia.


November 13, 1995: A bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, kills five U.S. service personnel.

Dunno, but it was around this time that they foiled a plot by Ramsey Yusef, one of the masterminds of the '93 WTC plot and captured him.

April 19, 1995: A truck bomb at the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, kills 168 and wounds more than 500 others.

The perpetrators were caught, one executed, and the Omnibus Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act was written and passed.

February 26, 1993: Terrorist bombers strike the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring more than 1,000 others.

They caught the perps and put them in prison.

Then Bush was elected, and he immediately ignored all this.

[SpencerH]

Its not a question of whether terrorism occurred while they were president, but whether they did something about it. The actions taken against the terrorists after Beirut are not discussable by me. Reagan attacked Libya after a series of terrorist actions linked to Libya and as a result Libya's financing and participation of such acts dropped significantly.

[Sava]

Originally posted by SpencerH
Its not a question of whether terrorism occurred while they were president, but whether they did something about it. The actions taken against the terrorists after Beirut are not discussable by me. Reagan attacked Libya after a series of terrorist actions linked to Libya and as a result Libya's financing and participation of such acts dropped significantly.

yeah... Reagan attacked Libya... and removed Qhadafi...



oh wait a minute


wow what a concept... contain a dictator, make him irrelevant... that sounds like the opposition to the Iraq War!!!!

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by GePap


I get rilled up when people argue so disingeneously and then accuse me of anything.

He starts a whole thread based on the personal bias he has againts Kerry, and when i don;t engage him at his level, he says I am waffling!?

What the **** do I care if he thinks Kerry would not act in such cases? I answered what I think a Kerry presidency would do. But I guess that was too much answer for him.

What's disingenous about it? Its not a thread about what Kerry's foreign policy changes would be or what Bush knew or didnt know! Obviously, if NK sends over a missile he'd act but I dont believe Kerry would take effective action against potential threats and I want how others feel about it. Since I dont give a rats-ass about most of the other election bull****, this is an important consideration for me (along with integrity).

[Sava]

Originally posted by SpencerH


What's disingenous about it? Its not a thread about what Kerry's foreign policy changes would be or what Bush knew or didnt know! Obviously, if NK sends over a missile he'd act but I dont believe Kerry would take effective action against potential threats and I want how others feel about it. Since I dont give a rats-ass about most of the other election bull****, this is an important consideration for me (along with integrity).

well good... I don't want America distracted by POTENTIAL threats... I want America focusing on REAL threats!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SpencerH
Reagan attacked Libya after a series of terrorist actions linked to Libya and as a result Libya's financing and participation of such acts dropped significantly.

From what I've read, Libya was involved in very little terrorist action. Mostly a lot of bluster. What stuf he did fund was generally directed against other Arab states.

[chequita guevara]

deep

[SpencerH]

like the ocean?