Bush poll numbers plummeting; Kerry beats Bush 53-42

[Lawrence of Arabia]

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[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
This is the richest bull**** I heard all day. I already was a citizen, especially since my dad serves in the US government, to be classified under his "orders" list I have to be a US citizen. (Also means I possess a black US passport, not only a blue one)

A question is bull****?

Citizenship doesn't work that way in the U.S. You're not a natural-born citizen, that much we know. So the only way you could have become a citizen is through the naturalization process. Now, your dad isn't a U.S. citizen, obviously, or wasn't when you were born, because if he was, you wouldn't have to worry about being considered natural-born. The fact (as it may be) that he works for the U.S. government wouldn't grant him instant citizenship, either. Nor would it bestow it on you.

So when did you get your citizenship? Or are you trying to tell us the U.S. grants citizenship to foreign nationals without going through the naturalization process?

This isn't making much sense.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Citizenship doesn't work that way in the U.S. You're not a natural-born citizen, that much we know.

I'm not a natural born citizen, but so isn't the Governator. It is not like I want to run for president.. Arnold does, but I'm not him.

Now, your dad isn't a U.S. citizen, obviously, or wasn't when you were born, because if he was, you wouldn't have to worry about being considered natural-born.

My dad's side is Italian, however my dad was born in Hartford, CT (I DID MENTION THIS ONCE BEFORE ON THIS FORUM!). My mom took an oath granting her citizenship under naturalization processes.

The fact (as it may be) that he works for the U.S. government wouldn't grant him instant citizenship, either. Nor would it bestow it on you.

Read statement above.

This isn't making much sense.

You aren't making much sense, and you just made yourself look like a complete fool.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I'm not a natural born citizen, *snip*

I snipped all that wasn't relevant.

My dad's side is Italian, however my dad was born in Hartford, CT (I DID MENTION THIS ONCE BEFORE ON THIS FORUM!). My mom took an oath granting her citizenship under naturalization processes.

So when did your mom take this oath? Before or after you were born?

Regardless, here's what doesn't mesh. You would be considered a natural-born citizen if you are:

"Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)"

Your father clearly fits the latter description, doesn't he? So you would be considered a natural-born citizen, as he was a natural-born citizen. So this contradicts the notion that you're not natural-born.

I think you need to clarify a bit more.

[Ming]

I see the personal crap is beginning again... no warning... next person is toast. So be very careful what you post.

[Boris Godunov]

I'm just asking questions.

[Giancarlo]

Ming I'm not being offensive here, just explaining. But I will just respond to this...

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Regardless, here's what doesn't mesh. You would be considered a natural-born citizen if you are:

"Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)"

Then I guess I'm a natural-born citizen because my dad is one and he has lived in the US and let alone was born in the US.

So this contradicts the notion that you're not natural-born.

That's not entirely true. I consider myself foreign as I was not born in the US, however in legal context, I am natural-born. I was however born in Madrid, Spain... making me eligible for an EU Spanish passport which I do possess.

That is all I have to say on the subject because it is taking it off the topic. I do not consider myself American, but rather a mix of Italian/Spanish roots. I'm more italian then anything (after recently finding out my family in Spain is in fact italian descended).

That is all.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Then I guess I'm a natural-born citizen because my dad is one and he has lived in the US and let alone was born in the US.

You don't know? That seems so unlikely! How could you not know? You made a thread over the law about Arnold possibly being able to run for President thanks to a new constitutional ammendment, avering you were in the same position.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


You don't know? That seems so unlikely! How could you not know? You made a thread over the law about Arnold possibly being able to run for President thanks to a new constitutional ammendment, avering you were in the same position.

I did not quite know in that context. I always consider myself Spanish at any rate (AS I WAS BORN IN MADRID). If anything, I am moving there. But this thread is not about this, so lets take Mings advice on shutting up. I'm not commenting any further on this matter.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Just you. He's always been this irrational.

Actually he's gotten much better recently (all things being relative of course). At least he's not claiming that Peru reduced coca production by 250% or hopping in and out of the closet anymore.

Then I guess I'm a natural-born citizen because my dad is one and he has lived in the US and let alone was born in the US.

Yeah, I think that Gian was misunderstanding the meaning of "natural-born" to mean born on US soil. I was born in Norway but I've always been a US citizen for example and as far as I know I'm allowed to run for President (not that I ever will of course).

[Ming]

Back on topic... or on to restictions... your choice...

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The election is ten months away. These numbers are meaningless. Bin Laden could be captured in October.

Yea.

Honestly I won't be sad to see Bush go if the trend continues, but I fear a Kerry presidency.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Kucinich


[godwin]
I personally disliked Hitler's stand on the final solution but at least you knew where he stood.
[/godwin]

ouch

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior

Yea.

Honestly I won't be sad to see Bush go if the trend continues, but I fear a Kerry presidency.

Why? the man is a centrist and bland as cream cheese.

[Saint Marcus]

making me eligible for an EU Spanish passport which I do possess.

And you said you'd renounce your Spanish passport. Sell out.