City of San Francisco issuing marriage licenses to gays, weds 1 couple so far...

[Adam Smith]

Originally posted by Asher
It will never be equal unless homosexual couples are looked at exactly the same as heterosexual couples under the eyes of the law. Period.

I thought that's what I just said. All legal rights are the same. The only difference is nomenclature.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Adam Smith
I thought that's what I just said. All legal rights are the same. The only difference is nomenclature.

How are they look at the same under the law if one discriminates against certain types of people and the other one doesn't?

Then there's the whole societal-equal thing. What happens if somebody asks a gay man if he's married? "Oh, I'm not married, I'm civil unionized..."?

[Guynemer]

There are only two words to describe my feelings:

WU
TANG



...is for the children

[Adam Smith]

Originally posted by Asher
How are they look at the same under the law if one discriminates against certain types of people and the other one doesn't?

If they have the same rights, how are they unequal or discriminatory?

[Drake Tungsten]

Wutang is one word...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Adam Smith
If they have the same rights, how are they unequal or discriminatory?

How do they have the same rights if one has the right to marry and one has the right to civil-unionize?

[Drake Tungsten]

Because marriage and civil unions are different in name only?

[Asher]

How can something be equal if it is different?

[DanS]

I think trying to force the issue through the judiciary will lead to a backlash. Unless gay marriage is accepted broadly by the people, arrived at through something like democratic concensus, most of the gains will be fleeting.

The issue has been fluid for a long time. This will just set up battle lines on terms that are unfavorable to the cause in the long run.

[Drake Tungsten]

How can something be equal if it is different?

Just because things are different does not automatically make them unequal.

I think trying to force the issue through the judiciary will lead to a backlash. Unless gay marriage is accepted broadly by the people, arrived at through concensus, most of the gains will be fleeting.

The issue has been fluid for a long time. This will just set up battle lines that are unfavorable to the cause.

I agree completely.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Just because things are different does not automatically make them unequal.

Er, yes it does.

[Drake Tungsten]

Er, yes it does.

Uh, no it doesn't.

[Asher]

You didn't do too well in math courses, did you Drake.

[Asher]

For those uninitiated in the English language:
e·qual ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kwl)
adj.
1. Having the same privileges, status, or rights: equal before the law.
2. Being the same for all members of a group: gave every player an equal chance to win.

[Drake Tungsten]

I fail to see what math has to do with this discussion, except to provide you with a lame excuse to denigrate social science majors...

If you want to deal with math though, answer me this. Does the value of the number "5" somehow change if I call it "go" instead of "five"? I would submit that the value of the number would be equal in both cases, despite the change in nomenclature.