Finnish justice system strikes again!

[chequita guevara]

I don't see anything wrong with it. Are you saying that the rich should have a right to break laws the rest of us have to obey simply because what is a big fine for us is pocket lint for them?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Pekka
Violent crimes are bad. European standard, violent crimes are real bad. Drunk driving, we might be #1 in the world, I don't know but it's horrible here. Rapings, who knows, maybe not very high.

Besides, you can NOT draw conclusions and say this is because of this policy, and the numbers are because of this and this.

Well, then you'd better rethink your whole crime-determent policy. It clearly seems not to work.

Keep in mind, that this person already is paying gigantic taxes that is our policy, I mean huge taxes. Now he gets screwed again, and the calculate his income with the before taxes price, so that makes it even more unequal.

OK, now this is unfair to calculate the fine on the pre-tax income, given that he already pays much of them.

The point is, you are being punished for having money.

Err, he was punished for speeding

DinoDoc

You don't see anything a little odd with a 170K euro speeding ticket?

I see nothing odd with having to pay 20 days of your income for a ticket. Except that it's too many days for such an offense IMHO. It can be a real pain in the ass to finish the month if you don't have savings to make it.

[Pekka]

Who says they have the right to break the law?
I'm saying, there should be some .. ... 170 000 euros! that's all I can say. If he had actually done more serious speeding, which intitles losing drivers license, he would have gotten 340 000 euro fine. I'm saying this is not justice.

[Pekka]

Spiffor, we don't have crime detterant. Violence is in our genes. It's not a crime.
Beating your wife is not a crime, it's domestic issues and no one should intervene.

I think 20 days is the minimum for the little traffic violation. It's not 20 days from your pay like that, for example, if I make 2000 euros a month, it would be about 160 euros. This guys real income was 125 000 euros last year, but he got 6 point something million euros in capital income. So it's even more unfair right there .

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Pekka
Beating your wife is not a crime, it's domestic issues and no one should intervene.

I really hope you're trying to be funny.

[The Mad Viking]

Lots of things are absurd.

The concept, I think, is a good one.

But 20 days?

It sounds like the penalty is still based on km/h above the limit. How stupid is that? Doing 80 in a 40 zone is WAY WORSE than doing 140 in a 100. Same system in Canada though.

Speeding tickets are a very strange sort of tax grab.

The limits put on speeds tend also to be bizarre. On roads where influential people live, they often get the speed limit reduced without and traffic engineering principles to support it.

The speed limit is supposedly a matter of safety. Yet the legal speed limit is exactly the same, day or night, rain or shine, snow, ice or fog, and regardless of the amount of traffic on the roads...

[Pekka]

I'm not trying to be funny. I don't think this way, hitting your wife is even more disgraceful than hitting some stranger. Beating is beating and it's not allowed except for self defense, except in Finland.

[chequita guevara]

Maybe we should make it ten minutes of your time. That way the rich can pay $50 and I could pay $5. That way, no one would have to pay attention to the law and our highyways could become the death traps we all want them to be.

[Pekka]

I agree, doing 80 would be worse in 40 limit area than 140 in 100. I agree, but then again, 20 days is the minimum you can get here.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Pekka
This guys real income was 125 000 euros last year, but he got 6 point something million euros in capital income. So it's even more unfair right there .

Sp, this guy got an actual income of 6,125,000 Euros + pocket money last year?

Let's see, 20 days of 6 mil a year is about 328,000. 20 days of 2,000 a month is about 1,333.

Indeed, the relationship between the small actual small fine (160€) and the actual big fine (170,000€) is not strictly mathematical, which can be something you complain about. But the principle that tickets are based on your income is a fundamentally good principle, because it makes every citizen, rich or poor, trying hard to avoid getting finced.

[Pekka]

Nah, he got close to seven million, but he raised 125 000 euros last year.
Yes fundamentally it's ok, but there needs to be some limitations on how much you can get fined, and use some kind of other algorithms that they now use.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Maybe we should make it ten minutes of your time. That way the rich can pay $50 and I could pay $5. That way, no one would have to pay attention to the law and our highyways could become the death traps we all want them to be.

A new market to tap into as we develop cars with collision avoidance, all going as fast as they can.

[Sava]

Personally, I think progressive fines are a good idea. Rich people have no incentive to follow traffic laws. What good is a $75 dollar fine when you're sitting on millions?

Finland

[Shi Huangdi]

I think this is a good idea. A normal fine might not be enough to discourage very wealthy motorists from driving.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I think this is a great idea. It results in more poorly paid chaffeurs speeding!!!