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  • Newspaper: Al-Qaida Has Suitcase Nukes

    Everyone:

    I ran across this article while perusing the wires and figured some folks at 'Poly might be interested in debating the possible ramifications of this report, should it turn out to be true. The article is posted below; contribute to this thread as you see fit after reading it.

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    CAIRO (Reuters) — A pan-Arab newspaper said Sunday that the al Qaeda organization led by Osama bin Laden bought tactical nuclear weapons from Ukraine in 1998 and is storing them in safe places for possible use.

    There was no independent corroboration of the report, which appeared in the newspaper al-Hayat under an Islamabad dateline and cited sources close to al Qaeda, which the United States blames for the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

    The newspaper said al Qaeda bought the weapons in suitcases in a deal arranged when Ukrainian scientists visited the Afghan city of Kandahar in 1998. The city was then a stronghold of the Taliban movement, which was allied with al Qaeda.

    Al Qaeda would use the weapons only inside the United States or if the group faced a "crushing blow" which threatened its existence, such as the use of nuclear or chemical weapons against its fighters, the paper quoted its sources as saying.

    Ukraine inherited nuclear weapons from the Soviet Union but in 1994 it agreed to send 1,900 nuclear warheads to Russia and sign up to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

    After the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, a former Russian National Security Adviser, Alexander Lebed, said that up to 100 portable suitcase-sized bombs were unaccounted for. Moscow has denied such weapons existed.

    Lebed said each one was equivalent to 1,000 tons of TNT and could kill as many as 100,000 people.

    Al-Hayat did not say how many weapons al Qaeda bought or say who exactly had provided them.

    A Pakistani government official said Secretary of State Colin Powell was expected to visit Islamabad soon to discuss nuclear proliferation, after a top scientist there admitted passing atomic program secrets to third parties.

    The United States has repeatedly said its worst fear is that a group like al Qaeda might obtain access to weapons of mass destruction and use them against the American people.
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    I don't even want to think about the possibilities of tactical nukes going off within the United States, for I fear it would result in a horror that would extend far beyond our borders, if you get my drift.

    But that said, why does the Russian government deny the existence of suitcase nukes? I thought it was common knowledge that such devices do exist?

    On a final note, I'm beginning to think the nuclear genie can no longer be contained to the "big" powers. A lot of of nations and terror groups are going to end up with them, or similar WMDs, and the rest of the world is simply going to have to learn to live with it. No, I don't like the idea myself, but what can be done about it? Nothing other than improving one's own security, that's about it.

    Gatekeeper
    "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

    "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

  • #2
    bull****.

    they would have used them by now

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    • #3
      Some of you Americans are really paranoid. Nuclear suticases owned by Al-Qaeda
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      • #4
        **shrug** That's my thought, too, Dissident. After all, their best shot would have been before Sept. 11, 2001. But, then again, we're talking about trying to fathom the minds of Osama bin Laden, et al.

        But consider Pakistan's nuke scientists. They took it upon themselves to export their knowledget to Libya, Iran and North Korea. Why couldn't the Ukrainian scientists have done the same thing? It's all about the money and prestige, not the ramifications down the road, for these sort of folks.

        Gatekeeper
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        • #5
          Phew, it's a good thing they're dismantling their nukes and making them into suitcases.

          I wonder how they incorporate all the parts though? And the uranium, how would that be used in a suitcase?
          meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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          • #6
            Obstructor:

            This is a foreign newspaper making the report. How does that translate into Americans being overly paranoid about suitcase nukes? Furthermore, perhaps a bit of paranoia after Sept. 11, 2001, is to be expected and, since you hail from Croatia, I'd think you'd be somewhat familiar with it as well.

            Gatekeeper
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gatekeeper
              Obstructor:

              This is a foreign newspaper making the report. How does that translate into Americans being overly paranoid about suitcase nukes? Furthermore, perhaps a bit of paranoia after Sept. 11, 2001, is to be expected and, since you hail from Croatia, I'd think you'd be somewhat familiar with it as well.

              Gatekeeper
              Sorry - didn`t notice the fact it is foreign - but it is still stupid.

              Mass destruction weapons can`t be found on every corner despite what you government thinks.

              I respect a bit of paranoia but this si too much.

              And about the fact I am Croatia -
              well I am form country that suffered much more casulties than you September 11 in recent war, and I am not paranoid about the fact that Ultraradicals, in our former enemy state, have won 28 percent of the votes on general elections solely on program that includes creating Great Serbia and butchering Croats and Moslems.

              Not a bit afraid or paranoid.
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              • #8
                Among the fears the U.S. government has is that the likes of al-Qaida *MAY* acquire WMDs. Insofar as I know, they've yet to state outright that al-Qaida *DOES HAVE* such capabilities (if they did, you can bet your booties they'd be marching into Pakistan's border regions quite openly). Again, it's a foreign newspaper making the claim, not the U.S. government, Obstructor.

                Regarding paranoia, my point was simple: People who have suffered from terrorism and/or wars generally are more paranoid afterwards, and rightly so in many cases. Croats should keep an eye on developments in Serbia, as America and its allies should keep the pressure on al-Qaida, et al.

                Gatekeeper
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                • #9
                  RUNF OR YOU R LIVESS!!!!!!!$!!
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                  Long live teh paranoia smiley!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gatekeeper
                    Again, it's a foreign newspaper making the claim, not the U.S. government, Obstructor.
                    So Iraq was invaded by foreign newspapers then? On behalf of their claims not US ones' And they conducted this agression?
                    EDIT: I didn`t mean tha USA invaded Iraq because of Al-Qaeda.
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                    • #11
                      A suitcase nuke, with a lovely colour-coordinated SAM hand luggage bag!
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                      • #12
                        Don't turn this into an America-is-evil thread, Obstructor. I personally get tired of the one-dimensional anti-Americans along with the America-can-do-no-wrong crowd.

                        This thread is meant to discuss the possible ramifications of the report in the pan-Arab newspaper, namely the possibility (fact, according to the report) that al-Qaida has suitcase nukes. If you wish to discuss the wider role of America in the post-Sept. 11, 2001, world, feel free to do so in a thread of your own creation.

                        Gatekeeper
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                        • #13
                          Newspaper: Al-Qaida Has Suitcase Nukes


                          /me sincerely thanks to all the Arabs that live near Tel Aviv, thus decreasing the chances Al Quaeda nukes the city.
                          "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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                          • #14
                            Again, if they had them they would have used at least one or two of them by now. Look how badly they were damaged in Afghanistan. Surely if there had been a time to play their ace card, it would have been at the time they were being driven out of their base country, two years ago.

                            The scientist who sold Pakistani secrets did so out of misguided ideology, at least in the case of his dealings with Iran and Libya. It would be very unlikely for a Ukranian to be sympatico with Islamic extremists. A Ukranian scientist would also have to consider how disappointed big brother Russia would be if Ukranians were found to be selling Russian weapons.
                            "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                            • #15
                              Well articles like this one will just increase chances that your current president gets another mandate and continues his reckless politics. And America is not evil - just its current government.
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