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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
That doesn't seem so tough. If you have no guarantee of your family's safety even if you shoot yourself, the obvious answer, even for a religious person, is to not do it. If you do have a guarantee, somehow, then the self-sacrifice isn't really suicide...it's like taking a bullet to save an innocent person.
Now here's a real toughy for the religionists:
Thanks to a massive war/famine/catastrophe, etc., the human race has been virtually wiped out except for a small enclave of humanity. By luck, there is only one woman left and the rest are men. The woman is 8 months pregnant, but is having major complications. There is luckily a doctor who diagnoses the situation as thus: The baby is healthy, but the pregnancy will kill the mother if it continues. The woman will be saved by an abortion, but it will damage her uterus beyond repair and end any reproductive hope. The woman wants to have the abortion to save her life, and the doctor has the means of doing it reasonably safely.
So, do you let the woman abort the baby to save her own life, but end humanity in the process, or force her to carry it to term in the hopes the new child will become a progenitor of the next wave of humanity?
How about a C-section? My answer is to force her to have the child, now if you said the process wouldn't sterilize her then it would be a tougher question.
I didn't care to make it news, but eventually people would still assume we were together and post something based on that assumption.
ok
hope you are well
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It is necessary--she absolutely doesn't want to breed.
So you would rape her. Nice.
But you've yet to explain yourself why the continuation of the species is important. I am willing to bet most people would agree that in this situation it was not important enough to justify rape or murder.
I'd say that most people WOULD say that the situation would require that, if in the end she refused to do so. I think trying to convince her 1st that do so would in the end be the right thing to do.
This is one facet of the "sacrifice one to save the many" ideal that people carry with them. IMHO most people would be apalled that the woman would not try to continue the human race.
I'm consitently stupid- Japher I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned
Originally posted by skywalker
Rather than force her to have the child, what if the doctor merely refused to give her the abortion? That's within HIS rights
It certainly would be, but in this instance the doctor is willing to perform the abortion.
Whoha: I ammended the age to 6 months, so C-section would still kill the kid.
Azazel: I didn't hint you were mysoginist. I don't care if it's rape or murder, I still find it astonishingly immoral. You still aren't answering all the questions I ask, just repeating you'd do it.
I'm consitently stupid- Japher I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned
It certainly would be, but in this instance the doctor is willing to perform the abortion.
Whoha: I ammended the age to 6 months, so C-section would still kill the kid.
Azazel: I didn't hint you were mysoginist. I don't care if it's rape or murder, I still find it astonishingly immoral. You still aren't answering all the questions I ask, just repeating you'd do it.
alright so wait 2 months and then do the C-Section :P
Well, as MtG has already stated, one single fertile female is NOT neough to save the human race. So trying to rape this woman, or kill her in the hope of another female baby to become the one sole breeder is simply cauisng pain to extend the inevitable, and given who knows what health concerns kids would develop as they kept being breed due to incest- is that trully moral?
If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
I'd say that most people WOULD say that the situation would require that, if in the end she refused to do so. I think trying to convince her 1st that do so would in the end be the right thing to do.
This is one facet of the "sacrifice one to save the many" ideal that people carry with them. IMHO most people would be apalled that the woman would not try to continue the human race.
Well, as MtG has already stated, one single fertile female is NOT neough to save the human race. So trying to rape this woman, or kill her in the hope of another female baby to become the one sole breeder is simply cauisng pain to extend the inevitable, and given who knows what health concerns kids would develop as they kept being breed due to incest- is that trully moral?
If it succeeds, it will CERTAINLY be worth it. If not, it won't matter in the grand scheme of things, anyway.
Kill the doctor (unless you can restrain him without killing him) in order to keep him from destroying the human race.
My point is within the whole "rights" framework of their thinking - it would be the doctor who was doing something wrong (but, as I said, it would be better merely to prevent him from doing it by restraining him, not killing him).
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