Ethics and Piracy

[St Leo]

An interesting answer from many, many pirates. They feel stealing is wrong, they don't feel stealing software is stealing. Let them into a PC store, give them a 100% guarantee they wouldn't be caught if stealing. Still, most wouldn't just take software from the shelf, because it's in a big nice box there, and feels like a material object, and that's where the "stealing is wrong" moral part kicks in. However, an immaterial object is stolen without moral remorse.

You cannot steal an immaterial object. Legislation agrees with me and dictionaries agree with me.

Of course, that opinion was what you were driving at with your post.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Whaleboy

What did people think about my two points; (i) that business that do not evolve to new external conditions die out, and I won't shed tears over their laziness, and (ii) that the publishing industry has been living on borrowed time since they first started... waiting for a means of cheap and fast replication in everyone's homes? It just means competition.

I agree with these points, however I don't see how they rationalize software/music piracy.

I don't see a difference between physically taking something from a store and downloading songs from kazaa. I believe that a man is worth what he contributes to society, in whatever form. And I believe that man should be properly compensated (whatever that means ) for what he has created. I view it as an immoral act to not compensate an artist or a programmer for what he has created, so long as he seeks compensation for his work.

[DaShi]

Come ****ing on! You guys know that you're getting something free (or extremely cheap) that you should be paying for. Saying anything is just bollucks.

[Japher]

Why should we be paying for it? There is only 1 RIAA, monopoly?

I would like to see artists record directly to the internet, for this purpose. The artists would rather their music be free and more people listen to it, so they can go to the shows... where they make their real money.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by DaShi
Come ****ing on! You guys know that you're getting something free (or extremely cheap) that you should be paying for. Saying anything is just bollucks.

No, we are not.

[DaShi]

**** off. You know when you're stealin' and when you're not. Just admit to it. I don't ****ing care what you do.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Sava
I don't think law=morality... look at our drug laws... smoking marijuana is illegal, but it's not wrong. Nor is file-sharing.

wtf kind of reasoning is this. the drug laws WERE PUT IN because ppl thot it was immoral to do them. hell remember prohibition. it failed, but it was there because it was considered immoral to drink.

now I know YOU DON'T consider it immoral to do a lot of things. but to extrapolate that into a non-relationship between the law and morality. and even more absurdly a non-relationship between drug law and morality.

[Sava]

once again yavoon graces us with his wisdom... slavery was once legal... that was moral, right?

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Sava
once again yavoon graces us with his wisdom... slavery was once legal... that was moral, right?

what what what?!? this must be the new diversionary tactic acompanied by smilies that obvious reinforce how correct u r.

just because ITS NOT UR MORALITY. does not mean the law was not based on moral sentiment(referring to drug laws). I mean how thick can u be?

[monkspider]

I would argue that NOT sharing MP3 files, when you easily have the means to do so, is immoral.

[Sava]

yavoon: I think I understand your point (which is amazing because you are so incoherent). But it's totally irrelevant from the fact that one is not morally compelled to follow an immoral law.

[DaShi]

Then go ahead.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Sava
yavoon: I think I understand your point (which is amazing because you are so incoherent). But it's totally irrelevant from the fact that one is not morally compelled to follow an immoral law.

useless post.

you are only "morally compelled" to follow what u feel ur "morally compelled" to follow. its like say "I dont have to want to do something I don't want to do."

ne other great grains of wisdom for us oh mighty sava?

[Sava]

you are only "morally compelled" to follow what u feel ur "morally compelled" to follow. its like say "I dont have to want to do something I don't want to do."

so basically you agree with me but you felt the need to post completely irrelevant and insulting banter... gotcha

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Sava
so basically you agree with me but you felt the need to post completely irrelevant and insulting banter... gotcha

no. I in no way agree w/ u. unless u r stating that ur post is A)wrong and B)useless.

lets go over.

law does not equal morality(especially in reference to drug law). wrong

ppl only feel morally compelled to do things that are in their morality. useless.

so unless those are also ur positions. then I must say that no I don't agree w/ u.