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Better yet, do right wingers care if liberal women despise them?
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Ok this has always made me wonder. Why do some people justapostise (is that a word?) right wingers and liberals. Like here are the right wingers and in the other end are the liebrals??? In my parts we have right wingers and left wingers. Right wingers consist of conservatives and liberals alike. Left wingers consist of social democrats, socialists and the rest of the left wing array.
How does it work in your parts?Comment
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In fact liberalism is considered very right wing here and I think in many other countries in Europe.Comment
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"Juxtapose" I believe, but since the US has so few actual die-hard socialists or communists our spectrum has conservatives on the right wing and liberals on the left. But I imagine a large percentage of those who call themselves liberal here are similar to "social democrats" in Europe.Comment
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Berzerker.
Either you have to say that abortion is legal and pay for it in money. Or you have to declare abortion illegal and pay for it in loss of life.
It is that simple.Comment
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Berzerker,
Yep I thought as much. What is the position of american liberals vis a vis economic issues? Do they want a large government intervention and regulation of the markets and etnerprises etc? I think I already know that in social matters they are what here is called "progressive".Comment
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My older sister was into the hippie/communal movement in the 60's and she said the guys all preached about egalitarianism and equality etc but when it came to doing the work at the communes, it was the women who got stuck with all the traditionally female chores. Cook my dinner bii-iiitch, and wash my clothes when you're done.Incidentaly, a (femminist) friend of mine left the SOCIALIST workers party BECAUSE it side lined women.
TD -Why? Tobacco is legal, do I have to buy your smokes? And what about the loss of life resulting from legal abortions? Not just women who die from "safe" abortions, but the millions of unborn babies?Either you have to say that abortion is legal and pay for it in money. Or you have to declare abortion illegal and pay for it in loss of life.
It is that simple.Comment
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BTW Liberalists here are progressive in social matters but also deeply conservative (as is called here) in economic issues = minimum state intervention and regulation in economy. A position which exactly classifies them in the right wing fraction.Comment
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This proposition:
Saying that it is legal and paying for it in women's loss of life , or saying that it is illegal and still pay for it in money.
...is illogical.Comment
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Yes, and some liberals continually push for more "nationalisation" of various industries. The next one sure to fall will be the healthcare industry... Now, conservatives typically oppose outright nationalisation and are lukewarm on increasing regulation (9/11 changed that wrt security and law enforcement), but when they get into power I don't see them rolling back much of what the liberal left has done. So we have a mixed economy with the balance gradually shifting toward more state control or even outright ownership of the economy.Berzerker,
Yep I thought as much. What is the position of american liberals vis a vis economic issues? Do they want a large government intervention and regulation of the markets and etnerprises etc? I think I already know that in social matters they are what here is called "progressive".Comment
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So you agree with Bush's policy of strenthening the rights of unborn fetuses.Originally posted by Berzerker
And what about the loss of life resulting from legal abortions? Not just women who die from "safe" abortions, but the millions of unborn babies?
A baby is out of the woman's womb, a fetus is inside the womb.Comment
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Are you sure it is not so that the economy (the corporations) is taking over the state?Originally posted by Berzerker
So we have a mixed economy with the balance gradually shifting toward more state control or even outright ownership of the economy.Comment
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Berzerker, Ok. I think you're right, american liberals have similarities with european social democrats. I've always wondered about that because here liberalism, as a term, is used to mean quite hardcore free markets ideology (as said before minimum state intervention, minimum social welfare etc) which is a far cry away from what left wing is about.
Thanks.Comment
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Paiktis -Classical liberalism - the liberalism in the US up until the early to mid 1900's was as you describe. Today we call that libertarianism here...BTW Liberalists here are progressive in social matters but also deeply conservative (as is called here) in economic issues = minimum state intervention and regulation in economy. A position which exactly classifies them in the right wing fraction.
TD -Wanna rephrase that? Just because something is legal doesn't mean others have to pay for it. It's legal for me to have an operation without forcing you to pay for it...This proposition:
Saying that it is legal and paying for it in women's loss of life , or saying that it is illegal and still pay for it in money.
...is illogical.Comment
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Very interestingOriginally posted by Berzerker
Paiktis -
Classical liberalism - the liberalism in the US up until the early to mid 1900's was as you describe. Today we call that libertarianism here...
Coming to think about it the Greek term is Phileleutheros (~friend of freedom or positively predesposed to freedom or something to that effect) and I think in latin terminology it indeed translates to libertarianism and not to liberalism, which I think doesn't exist in the Greek political vocabulary, I guess social democrat is used. Again thanks
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