New Hampshire result

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Not all politicians have a lack of integrity.

*cg pats Imran on the head. "Your faith is so cute."

[MrFun]

faith or naivity??

[Imran Siddiqui]

*cg pats Imran on the head. "Your faith is so cute

Just because you are overly cynical doesn't mean everyone else has to be .

[chequita guevara]

Bah humbug!

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

*cg pats Imran on the head. "Your faith is so cute

Just because you are overly cynical doesn't mean everyone else has to be .

We will convert you to Cynictholicism if it's the last thing we do!

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ned
Sava, what we do know about Clark was that he was fired from his Nato command due to lack of integrity.

no that's the smear campaign Hugh Shelton started and the right has continued to propagate... I haven't seen one shred of evidence supporting that claim. In fact, I've heard both Clinton and fmr. Def. secretary Cohen refute that lie.

In contrast, everyone who served with Kerry think the world of the man.

I don't care what those people think. I look at policies. I'd vote for Satan if his policies were sound.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Not all politicians have a lack of integrity. Lieberman, for one (while he is a tool), has tons of integrity, even though he's been a politician for so long

But he's not a very good politican.

Interesting philosophical debate: can one have integrity and still be a good politician?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Interesting philosophical debate: can one have integrity and still be a good politician?

Yes... but it takes an extremely charismatic person. Playing dirty, however, is easier because it allows weaker candidates (normally some dolt like Bush) to have success. The Dem's are failing because they don't have that killer instinct. And to be fair, the media is against them. That gives them an inherent disadvantage.

btw, Joe Lieberman doesn't have integrity... he panders just like any other dope. It's sad that he's trying to cash in on fear with his "I'm strong on defense" attitude. It's ironic because IMO going to Iraq hurts our national security and takes away from the fight against Al Qaeda.

[Imran Siddiqui]

But he's not a very good politican.

Well he's been elected to the Senate for decades... that's a pretty good politician by the most important measure .

[Sava]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

But he's not a very good politican.

Well he's been elected to the Senate for decades... that's a pretty good politician by the most important measure .

big deal... corpse Strom Thurmond kept getting elected...

[Imran Siddiqui]

big deal... corpse Strom Thurmond kept getting elected...

Did I say Strom was a bad politician? If you keep getting elected, that's the biggest part of being a GOOD politician.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

big deal... corpse Strom Thurmond kept getting elected...

Did I say Strom was a bad politician? If you keep getting elected, that's the biggest part of being a GOOD politician.

no... you can be a BAD politician and still be elected by a dopey group of voters.

[Imran Siddiqui]

no... you can be a BAD politician and still be elected by a dopey group of voters.

That's impossible. If you win, you are already an above average politician. Why? 'Cause you won! Making your politics admirable to a dopey group of voters is the mark of a good politician. Why is Clinton considered such a good politician? Because he was able to deflect criticism and turn into pluses leading to huge wins! (Though Nixon is probably the best modern politician in American politics... the way he was able to climb back in it was genius)

[Sava]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

no... you can be a BAD politician and still be elected by a dopey group of voters.

That's impossible. If you win, you are already a good politician. Why? 'Cause you won! Why is Clinton considered such a good politician? Because he was able to deflect criticism and turn into pluses leading to huge wins! (Though Nixon is probably the best modern politician in American politics... the way he was able to climb back in it was genius)

wrong...

good baseball players can LOSE to bad baseball players... there are other factors involved...

likewise with elections... there are other factors involved in elections. Great politicians can lose to more inept politicians.

[Imran Siddiqui]

good baseball players can LOSE to bad baseball players... there are other factors involved...

likewise with elections... there are other factors involved in elections. Great politicians can lose to more inept politicians.

Politics isn't baseball, or anything close. You can measure how good baseball players are aside from winning and losing, you really can't for politicians (except for perhaps how 'Teflon' they are and how they spin, but that leads to wins).

'Great' politicians who lose to inept politicians are really great and their opponent wasn't really inept. The fact that the 'inept' politician was able to win shows he was better than the 'great' politician.