New Hampshire result

[Jac de Molay]

Lieberman needs to drop out. He won't win the nomination, and he certainly has no chance of beating Bush. I wouldn't even vote for LIEberman. We don't need a Bush-lite.

Agree. The guy is just a flake, and is starting to look like an albatross around the party's neck.

Anybody who speaks out so vehemently against violence in the media, but votes for a resolution for us to vaporize thousands of innocents in Iraq, is a pure hypocrite

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Jac de Molay


Agree. The guy is just a flake, and is starting to look like an albatross around the party's neck.

Anybody who speaks out so vehemently against violence in the media, but votes for a resolution for us to vaporize thousands of innocents in Iraq, is a pure hypocrite

I share Joes concerns about violence in the media, and think that the invasion of Iraq was the right thing to do. Perhaps youd like me to vote for Bush??

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
Thanks Ben. I'd sure would like a site or sites where I could get tracking polls for next week's primaries.

Well, we now have a real frontrunner. Dean has no choice but to go negative on Kerry. He has the money to keep this thing muddy for a bit. Clark has to get negative also. I expect we will see some fireworks this week.

What does ole Joe want out of this anyway? Is he just pissed off at Al Gore and hanging around to take shots at Dean out of spite?

1. Theres still a possibility of a brokered convention. Good to hang around for that, if he can pick up some delegates
2. To make an ideological point to the party, to allow a minority within the party a chance to express themselves and make their presence known, and stake a claim to the future. Kinda like Jesse Jackson in '88.

[Ramo]

Yeah, I don't understand why Lieberman's still in the race. Now that Kerry stole his thunder by officially becoming the "anti-Dean," his only role is further splitting the support of the other DLC-friendly candidates.

[SpencerH]

How's about because only a tiny number of delegates have been chosen from a lefty state?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ramo
Yeah, I don't understand why Lieberman's still in the race. Now that Kerry stole his thunder by officially becoming the "anti-Dean," his only role is further splitting the support of the other DLC-friendly candidates.

Who are the DLC friendly candidates??? Not Wesley "i voted for Reagan but now like Mike Moore" Clark, who's anti DLC from both ends. Kerry - we'll see, but hes not in much danger of having his vote split - if anything, he needs to be challenged and tested. Edwards - maybe, though IIUC hes still rather on the protectionist side, which is important to DLC. In any case it looks like Joe will be focusing on Delaware and Oklahoma, while Edwards will be focusing on SC and MO, so probably not a lot of splitting at least on Feb 3.

[Ramo]

Kerry, Edwards, and Clark are all the DLC-friendly in the sense that they aren't trying to take away leadership of the Party from the DLC (as opposed to folks like Dean). And the DLC is fairly protectionist in certain areas - farm subsidies, textile quotas, and IP, for instance.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ramo
Kerry, Edwards, and Clark are all the DLC-friendly in the sense that they aren't trying to take away leadership of the Party from the DLC (as opposed to folks like Dean). And the DLC is fairly protectionist in certain areas - farm subsidies, textile quotas, and IP, for instance.

the dlc supports textile quotas?? thats news to me.

I think Kerry and Clark are willing to leave control in the hands of "the party establishment" I think its a mistake to equate "the party establishment" and the DLC, despite the DLC's influence under Clinton.

[Imran Siddiqui]

he claimed he was "split" at third with Clark and Edwards.

Well in total delegates he's close (the number that includes all the superdelegate party boss types).

Who are the DLC friendly candidates

Kerry is a member of the DLC, IIRC.. and is a very free trade candidate (I also wondered about the 'protectionist' DLC... Clinton wasn't very protectionist).

[Ramo]

the dlc supports textile quotas?? thats news to me.

Folks like Clinton were fine with them, last I checked. Nontariffal trade barriers aren't usually opposed by the DLC.

I think its a mistake to equate "the party establishment" and the DLC, despite the DLC's influence under Clinton.

Why do you say that?

[GePap]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


the dlc supports textile quotas?? thats news to me.

I think Kerry and Clark are willing to leave control in the hands of "the party establishment" I think its a mistake to equate "the party establishment" and the DLC, despite the DLC's influence under Clinton.

Well, it seems democratic voters no longer car for the DLC, given Liebermans very poor showing. And his attempts at sidding with Clinton will fail because:

1.Gore was Clinton's sideman, not Lieberman
2. Most of Clinton's friends go for Clark
3. Liberman denounced Clinton, so how can you then try to make yourself the standardbearer?

[Ned]

Sava, what we do know about Clark was that he was fired from his Nato command due to lack of integrity. His fellow generals have nothing good to say about him.

In contrast, everyone who served with Kerry think the world of the man.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Ramo
Yeah, I don't understand why Lieberman's still in the race. Now that Kerry stole his thunder by officially becoming the "anti-Dean," his only role is further splitting the support of the other DLC-friendly candidates.

Do you have an explanation for Kucinich?

[Imran Siddiqui]

it seems democratic voters no longer car for the DLC

Well Kerry is DLC. At least that is what it says on his site.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Ned


Do you have an explanation for Kucinich?

I said it a page ago--he (and Sharpton) are flagrantly psychotic.